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Network Working Group                                        A. Westine
 
Network Working Group                                        A. Westine
 
Request for Comments:  1211                                    J. Postel
 
Request for Comments:  1211                                    J. Postel
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                                                                  ISI
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                                                                    ISI
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                                                          March 1991
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                                                              March 1991
  
  
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      Problems with the Maintenance of Large Mailing Lists
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          Problems with the Maintenance of Large Mailing Lists
  
 
Status of this Memo
 
Status of this Memo
  
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This RFC discusses problems with maintaining large mailing lists,
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  This RFC discusses problems with maintaining large mailing lists,
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especially the processing of error reports.  This memo provides
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  especially the processing of error reports.  This memo provides
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information for the Internet community.  It does not specify an
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  information for the Internet community.  It does not specify an
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Internet standard.  Distribution of this memo is unlimited.
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  Internet standard.  Distribution of this memo is unlimited.
  
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== Introduction ==
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Table of Contents
  
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Maintaining large mailing lists, especially the processing of error
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  1.  Introduction..............................................  1
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reports, poses many problems.  Most of the examples come from the
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  2.  Discussion................................................  1
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experience of managing the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)
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  3.  Typical Problems..........................................  3
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mailing list. Many examples are presented in this memo.  Most of the
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  3.1. Misdirected Error Reports.................................  3
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specific problems shown have already been corrected.
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  3.2. Sublists..................................................  3
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  3.3. Misdirected Requests......................................  5
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  3.4. Misdirected Messages......................................  5
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  4.  Summary...................................................  5
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  APPENDIX A - I used to be on the List..........................  6
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  APPENDIX B - Changing Addresses and Sublists...................  8
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  APPENDIX C - Sublists and Other Protocol Worlds................  9
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  APPENDIX D - Errors from Hidden Hosts..........................  10
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  APPENDIX E - No Postmaster.....................................  12
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  APPENDIX F - Examples of Error Messages........................  14
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  5.  Security Considerations...................................  53
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  6.   Authors' Addresses........................................  54
  
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== Discussion ==
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1.  Introduction
  
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At USC - Information Sciences Institute (ISI) we maintain mailing
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  Maintaining large mailing lists, especially the processing of error
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lists for the Internet Research Groups, the IETF, and other Internet
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  reports, poses many problems.  Most of the examples come from the
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groups; about 25 lists altogether.  We receive about 400 messages a
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  experience of managing the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)
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month requesting additions or deletions to these lists. There are
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  mailing list.  Many examples are presented in this memo.  Most of the
 +
  specific problems shown have already been corrected.
  
 +
2. Discussion
  
 +
  At USC - Information Sciences Institute (ISI) we maintain mailing
 +
  lists for the Internet Research Groups, the IETF, and other Internet
 +
  groups; about 25 lists altogether.  We receive about 400 messages a
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  month requesting additions or deletions to these lists.  There are
  
  
  
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about 20 messages a day requesting changes to the lists.
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Westine & Postel                                             
  
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We also receive about 300 error messages a month due to mail delivery
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RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
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problems.  Many of these are duplicates, but the net result is that
 
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about 10 cases per day need to be investigated.
 
  
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Many of the error reports are for "soft errors", primarily delayed
 
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delivery notices, such as "not delivered for 2 days, will try for 3
 
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more days".  These just waste the list maintainer's time and are
 
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otherwise ignored.  This is especially wasteful when such messages
 
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are repeated every day.  However, if the same host is a cause of such
 
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messages for many days in a row, the list maintainer may investigate.
 
  
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Please note that ignoring the soft errors is not always easy, since
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  about 20 messages a day requesting changes to the lists.
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error messages often contain error reports on several mailboxes,
 
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requiring the error message to be read carefully to pick out the hard
 
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errors.
 
  
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The error reports that indicate hard errors, such as "no such user"
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  We also receive about 300 error messages a month due to mail delivery
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require the list maintainer to take action.  In many cases the
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  problems.  Many of these are duplicates, but the net result is that
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appropriate action is to simply delete the user mailbox from the
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  about 10 cases per day need to be investigated.
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list.  However, if the mailbox in question is someone known to be
 
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active as a working group chair, or such, further investigation is
 
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necessary.  The more general case of "no such host" may be a
 
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temporary condition, but if it continues for several days it must be
 
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investigated.
 
  
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Since the error conditions do not have standardized names (for
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  Many of the error reports are for "soft errors", primarily delayed
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example, "no such user" vs. "user unknown") it is sometimes difficult
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  delivery notices, such as "not delivered for 2 days, will try for 3
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to understand whether a soft or hard error is being reported, and
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  more days". These just waste the list maintainer's time and are
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what one should do about it.  For example, what does "Can't Find Mail
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  otherwise ignored.  This is especially wasteful when such messages
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Center!" mean, or what should one do about "mailll:%MAIL-E-OPENOUT,
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  are repeated every day.  However, if the same host is a cause of such
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error opening SYS$USER2:[STGEORGE.LONGMAIL]MAIL$00040093BE236612.MAI;
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  messages for many days in a row, the list maintainer may investigate.
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as outputI)"?
 
  
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The first step in investigating a problem with a user mailbox is to
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  Please note that ignoring the soft errors is not always easy, since
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see if it is on the list.  If so, the next step is to see if there
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  error messages often contain error reports on several mailboxes,
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really is a problem with it.  This is done by using the SMTP VRFY and
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  requiring the error message to be read carefully to pick out the hard
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EXPN features, Finger, or Whois.  This often develops information
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  errors.
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suggesting that the user has recently changed his address.  This has
 
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to be confirmed through an exchange of messages (with the postmaster)
 
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and then the mailing list must be updated.
 
  
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If the user is not on the list, then it is likely the mail is sent
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  The error reports that indicate hard errors, such as "no such user"
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via an exploder or sublist.  So the investigation focuses on finding
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  require the list maintainer to take action.  In many cases the
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which exploder may be involved, usually this is found by looking at
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  appropriate action is to simply delete the user mailbox from the
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the path (from the received lines) of the error report.  The exploder
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  list.  However, if the mailbox in question is someone known to be
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that is the source of the error can sometimes be checked using the
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  active as a working group chair, or such, further investigation is
 +
  necessary.  The more general case of "no such host" may be a
 +
  temporary condition, but if it continues for several days it must be
 +
  investigated.
  
 +
  Since the error conditions do not have standardized names (for
 +
  example, "no such user" vs. "user unknown") it is sometimes difficult
 +
  to understand whether a soft or hard error is being reported, and
 +
  what one should do about it.  For example, what does "Can't Find Mail
 +
  Center!" mean, or what should one do about "mailll:%MAIL-E-OPENOUT,
 +
  error opening SYS$USER2:[STGEORGE.LONGMAIL]MAIL$00040093BE236612.MAI;
 +
  as outputI)"?
  
 +
  The first step in investigating a problem with a user mailbox is to
 +
  see if it is on the list.  If so, the next step is to see if there
 +
  really is a problem with it.  This is done by using the SMTP VRFY and
 +
  EXPN features, Finger, or Whois.  This often develops information
 +
  suggesting that the user has recently changed his address.  This has
 +
  to be confirmed through an exchange of messages (with the postmaster)
 +
  and then the mailing list must be updated.
  
 +
  If the user is not on the list, then it is likely the mail is sent
 +
  via an exploder or sublist.  So the investigation focuses on finding
 +
  which exploder may be involved, usually this is found by looking at
 +
  the path (from the received lines) of the error report.  The exploder
 +
  that is the source of the error can sometimes be checked using the
  
  
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SMTP EXPN feature.  Then the postmaster is notified.
 
  
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If the error report is about a host being unknown, the programs
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"whathost", "dig", "ping", and "traceroute" may be used to find the
 
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problem.  However, getting the problem fixed may require
 
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communication with host and domain administrators.
 
  
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What to do if problems can't be resolved: Delete the offending entry
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from the list that may eventually cause the following response: "I
 
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used to be on the ietf list, how come I am not getting the messages
 
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any more?" (See Appendix A.)
 
  
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== Typical Problems ==
 
  
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In this section we discuss typical and frequent problems that occur
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  SMTP EXPN feature.  Then the postmaster is notified.
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with large mailing lists.
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 +
  If the error report is about a host being unknown, the programs
 +
  "whathost", "dig", "ping", and "traceroute" may be used to find the
 +
  problem.  However, getting the problem fixed may require
 +
  communication with host and domain administrators.
 +
 
 +
  What to do if problems can't be resolved: Delete the offending entry
 +
  from the list that may eventually cause the following response: "I
 +
  used to be on the ietf list, how come I am not getting the messages
 +
  any more?" (See Appendix A.)
 +
 
 +
3.  Typical Problems
 +
 
 +
  In this section we discuss typical and frequent problems that occur
 +
  with large mailing lists.
  
 
3.1  Misdirected Error Reports
 
3.1  Misdirected Error Reports
  
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The most frequent problem is that error reports are sent to the
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  The most frequent problem is that error reports are sent to the
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author of the message rather than the list owner.  One way this can
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  author of the message rather than the list owner.  One way this can
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happen is when there is trouble with the author's host not connecting
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  happen is when there is trouble with the author's host not connecting
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to another host along the route before it reaches ISI where the
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  to another host along the route before it reaches ISI where the
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mailing list is.
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  mailing list is.
  
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At ISI the SMTP "from" information is added when the message is
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  At ISI the SMTP "from" information is added when the message is
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distributed to the list so that hosts following the SMTP protocol
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  distributed to the list so that hosts following the SMTP protocol
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will send their error reports to the list owner.  However, not all
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  will send their error reports to the list owner.  However, not all
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hosts do this properly.
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  hosts do this properly.
  
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Another problem is that some machines do not pay attention to the
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  Another problem is that some machines do not pay attention to the
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SMTP information about where to send error reports.
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  SMTP information about where to send error reports.
  
 
3.2  Sublists
 
3.2  Sublists
  
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What is a sublist?  It is a mailbox with an alias-name that expands
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  What is a sublist?  It is a mailbox with an alias-name that expands
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to a mailing-list or group of recipients.  There are many sublists on
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  to a mailing-list or group of recipients.  There are many sublists on
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our mailing lists.
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  our mailing lists.
  
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When a user requests that a mailbox be added to a list that looks
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  When a user requests that a mailbox be added to a list that looks
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like an exploder, the following message is sent:
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  like an exploder, the following message is sent:
  
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  We ask that all list maintainters of exploder mailboxes (an
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      We ask that all list maintainters of exploder mailboxes (an
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  alias-name that expands to a mailing-list or group of recipients)
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      alias-name that expands to a mailing-list or group of recipients)
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  set up some sort of ownership at their site, for their list.  What
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      set up some sort of ownership at their site, for their list.  What
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  this means is, is any mailbox on your list is invalid, the error
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      this means is, is any mailbox on your list is invalid, the error
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  message will go to you (the list owner), and you can delete that
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      message will go to you (the list owner), and you can delete that
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  mailbox from your list.
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      mailbox from your list.
  
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
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RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
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  An example of an entry in your aliases file would be:
 
  
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       owner-ietf-local: [email protected],
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       An example of an entry in your aliases file would be:
  
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         (or your list maintainer/postmaster)
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         owner-ietf-local:  [email protected],
  
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It appears that few people understand the concept of list ownership,
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            (or your list maintainer/postmaster)
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or they do not set it up correctly.  There is ample evidence of
 
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problems in this area.
 
  
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When investigating "user unknown" messages it is often the case that
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  It appears that few people understand the concept of list ownership,
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the user is not individually listed on our list.  The next step is to
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  or they do not set it up correctly.  There is ample evidence of
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check received lines and hunt for an exploder list with a host
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  problems in this area.
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similar to the one that the error came from or points to.  At that
+
 
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point we attempt to use SMTP EXPN or VRFY to check that the user is
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  When investigating "user unknown" messages it is often the case that
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on a sublist.  Since many hosts do not implement EXPN or VRFY, the
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  the user is not individually listed on our list.  The next step is to
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result of our check is inconclusive.  We then contact the list
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  check received lines and hunt for an exploder list with a host
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maintainer and ask him to delete the invalid mailbox if it is on his
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  similar to the one that the error came from or points to.  At that
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sublist.
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  point we attempt to use SMTP EXPN or VRFY to check that the user is
 +
  on a sublist.  Since many hosts do not implement EXPN or VRFY, the
 +
  result of our check is inconclusive.  We then contact the list
 +
  maintainer and ask him to delete the invalid mailbox if it is on his
 +
  sublist.
 +
 
 +
  Another problem occurs when someone on a sublist wants to change the
 +
  name of his mailbox.  We look through the main list to make the
 +
  correction and if that mailbox is not on the list we check the
 +
  received lines and look for clues to determine which host this user
 +
  may be on.  More than likely it is a sublist. (See Appendix B.)
  
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Another problem occurs when someone on a sublist wants to change the
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  When the mailbox is in another protocol world (like UUCP or BITNET)
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name of his mailbox.  We look through the main list to make the
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  there are often problems with the handling and direction of error
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correction and if that mailbox is not on the list we check the
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  reports. (See Appendix C.)
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received lines and look for clues to determine which host this user
 
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may be on.  More than likely it is a sublist. (See Appendix B.)
 
  
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When the mailbox is in another protocol world (like UUCP or BITNET)
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  Sometimes we are unable to find the addresses reported in the error
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there are often problems with the handling and direction of error
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  message on the mailing list in question.  In such a case we check the
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reports. (See Appendix C.)
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  mailing list for a host name also named in the received lines of a
 +
  message in error.  If we find a match then we look for an exploder on
 +
  that host and expand the sublist there to see if the mailbox in
 +
  question is on that sublist. (See Appendix D.)
  
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Sometimes we are unable to find the addresses reported in the error
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  At the time a sublist is entered into our list we record the name of
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message on the mailing list in question.  In such a case we check the
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  the requestor and consider him the sublist owner.  As people change
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mailing list for a host name also named in the received lines of a
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  roles or companies this contact sometimes fails, in that case we fall
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message in error.  If we find a match then we look for an exploder on
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  back to contacting the postmaster.  However, not every site has a
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that host and expand the sublist there to see if the mailbox in
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  "postmaster" mailbox. (See Appendix E.)
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question is on that sublist. (See Appendix D.)
 
  
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At the time a sublist is entered into our list we record the name of
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  Most users send their requests and changes to the IETF-Request
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the requestor and consider him the sublist owner.  As people change
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  mailbox, when they are on, in fact, a sublist, usually at their own
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roles or companies this contact sometimes fails, in that case we fall
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  company.  This creates a problem for us trying to determine which
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back to contacting the postmaster.  However, not every site has a
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  exploder they're on.
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"postmaster" mailbox. (See Appendix E.)
 
  
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Most users send their requests and changes to the IETF-Request
 
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mailbox, when they are on, in fact, a sublist, usually at their own
 
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company.  This creates a problem for us trying to determine which
 
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exploder they're on.
 
  
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
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In this case, the request message is forwarded to the sublist owner
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  In this case, the request message is forwarded to the sublist owner
−
so he can make changes to his list.  However, sometimes hosts may be
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  so he can make changes to his list.  However, sometimes hosts may be
−
somewhat similar in name (from the same organization, but in a
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  somewhat similar in name (from the same organization, but in a
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different department, in a different building, off campus, etc.) and
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  different department, in a different building, off campus, etc.) and
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it's hard to know if this person should really be on that particular
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  it's hard to know if this person should really be on that particular
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sublist, or listed individually.  Occasionally, we examine the main
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  sublist, or listed individually.  Occasionally, we examine the main
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file to see if there are individual addresses that could be
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  file to see if there are individual addresses that could be
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incorporated in a sublist.
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  incorporated in a sublist.
  
 
3.3  Misdirected Requests
 
3.3  Misdirected Requests
  
−
Some users don't know that mailing lists usually have a "request"
+
  Some users don't know that mailing lists usually have a "request"
−
mailbox, so they mistakenly send their requests to the main list.
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  mailbox, so they mistakenly send their requests to the main list.
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When this happens, several people will resend the request to the list
+
  When this happens, several people will resend the request to the list
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maintainer and then want to know if the request was completed.
+
  maintainer and then want to know if the request was completed.
  
 
3.4  Misdirected Messages
 
3.4  Misdirected Messages
  
−
There are also messages that go to the request mailbox when they are
+
  There are also messages that go to the request mailbox when they are
−
intended for the main list.  These messages get forwarded to the main
+
  intended for the main list.  These messages get forwarded to the main
−
list and a message is sent to the user notifying him of the
+
  list and a message is sent to the user notifying him of the
−
correction and the proper way to address his message.
+
  correction and the proper way to address his message.
 +
 
 +
4.  Summary
  
−
== Summary ==
+
  Running a mailing list should be easy, and with small lists it is.
 +
  The number of changes and errors are small and infrequent.  But when
 +
  lists get large and traffic gets heavy, the number of changes and
 +
  errors grow to many a day.  The level of effort to manage a mailing
 +
  list of substantial size and use becomes significant.
  
−
Running a mailing list should be easy, and with small lists it is.
+
  An additional problem is the creativity shown by mail program
−
The number of changes and errors are small and infrequent.  But when
+
  developers in inventing numerous different error reports.  We present
−
lists get large and traffic gets heavy, the number of changes and
+
  a large sample of such messages in Appendix F.  We hope that these
−
errors grow to many a day.  The level of effort to manage a mailing
+
  examples will be of help to other mailing list maintainers.
−
list of substantial size and use becomes significant.
 
  
−
An additional problem is the creativity shown by mail program
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  Our experience with maintaining large lists suggests the following:
−
developers in inventing numerous different error reports.  We present
 
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a large sample of such messages in Appendix F.  We hope that these
 
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examples will be of help to other mailing list maintainers.
 
  
−
Our experience with maintaining large lists suggests the following:
+
  Users: Please be considerate and try to work problems out locally.
  
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Users:  Please be considerate and try to work problems out locally.
+
  Sublist owners:  Please do everything you can to get the error
 +
  messages related to your sublist to go to you.  Please try to get
 +
  users on your system to talk to you about additions and deletions.
  
−
Sublist owners:  Please do everything you can to get the error
 
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messages related to your sublist to go to you.  Please try to get
 
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users on your system to talk to you about additions and deletions.
 
  
  
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                            APPENDIX A
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                                APPENDIX A
  
 
A.1.  Inquiry Message From User Regarding His Mailbox
 
A.1.  Inquiry Message From User Regarding His Mailbox
  
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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 90 03:02:09 PST
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  Date: Tue, 6 Nov 90 03:02:09 PST
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From: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2, DTN: 830 4682"
+
  From: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2, DTN: 830 4682"
−+
        <[email protected]>
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−
Subject: dist list
+
  Subject: dist list
  
−
Please will you check that I have not been deleted from this
+
  Please will you check that I have not been deleted from this
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distribution list.
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  distribution list.
  
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My email address is : [email protected]
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  My email address is : [email protected]
  
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Thanks
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  Thanks
  
−
Stewart
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  Stewart
  
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A.2.  Message To User - His Mailbox Was Re-added
 
A.2.  Message To User - His Mailbox Was Re-added
  
−
To: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2,
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  To: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2,
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    DTN: 830 4682" <[email protected]>
+
      DTN: 830 4682" <[email protected]>
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  Reply-To: [email protected]
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Subject: Re: dist list
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  Subject: Re: dist list
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In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 06 Nov 90 03:02:09 -0800.
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  In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 06 Nov 90 03:02:09 -0800.
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            <[email protected]>
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Date: Tue, 06 Nov 90 13:54:23 PST
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  Date: Tue, 06 Nov 90 13:54:23 PST
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From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
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  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
 +
 
 +
  Hi Stewart,
  
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Hi Stewart,
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  > Please will you check that I have not been deleted from this
 +
  > distribution. list.
 +
  >
 +
  > My email address is:  [email protected]
  
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> Please will you check that I have not been deleted from this
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          I readded you to the list.
−
> distribution. list.
 
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>
 
−
> My email address is:  [email protected]
 
  
−
        I readded you to the list.
+
  --Ann
  
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--Ann
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RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
A.3.  User Name Readded and It Bounced
 
A.3.  User Name Readded and It Bounced
  
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Date:    Tue, 06 Nov 90 17:25:15 -0800
+
  Date:    Tue, 06 Nov 90 17:25:15 -0800
−
From:    [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From:    [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
To:      [email protected]
+
  To:      [email protected]
−
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
  
−
    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
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      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
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mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "janus",
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  mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "janus",
−
        during mail delivery to <JANUS::BRYANT>.
+
            during mail delivery to <JANUS::BRYANT>.
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        Remote error code is 0x7e81d2, message is:
+
            Remote error code is 0x7e81d2, message is:
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%MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport NM
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  %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport NM
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        (can't decypher error code)
+
            (can't decypher error code)
−
550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
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  550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
  
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  ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
+
      ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
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<[email protected]> (bounced)
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  <[email protected]> (bounced)
  
−
  ----- Unsent message follows -----
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      ----- Unsent message follows -----
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  Received: by decpa.pa.dec.com; id AA21747; Tue, 6 Nov 90 13:54:38
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Received: from LOCALHOST by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
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  Received: from LOCALHOST by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
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        id <AA24660>; Tue, 6 Nov 90 13:54:25 -0800
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            id <AA24660>; Tue, 6 Nov 90 13:54:25 -0800
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To: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2,
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  To: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2,
−
    DTN: 830 4682" <[email protected]>
+
        DTN: 830 4682" <[email protected]>
−+
−+
  Reply-To: [email protected]
−
Subject: Re: dist list
+
  Subject: Re: dist list
−
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 06 Nov 90 03:02:09 -0800.
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  In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 06 Nov 90 03:02:09 -0800.
−+
        <[email protected]>
−
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 90 13:54:23 PST
+
  Date: Tue, 06 Nov 90 13:54:23 PST
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
+
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
Hi Stewart,
+
  Hi Stewart,
  
−
> Please will you check that I have not been deleted from this
+
  > Please will you check that I have not been deleted from this
−
> distribution list.
+
  > distribution list.
−
>
+
  >
−
> My email address is
+
  > My email address is
−
>
+
  >
−+
  
−
I readded you to the list.
+
  I readded you to the list.
  
−
--Ann
+
  --Ann
  
 
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 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
−
                            APPENDIX B
+
 
 +
                              APPENDIX B
  
 
In this example, the old mailbox "[email protected]" was to
 
In this example, the old mailbox "[email protected]" was to
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the mailbox.
 
the mailbox.
  
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B.1.  Error Report
 
B.1.  Error Report
  
−
Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 90 14:05:38 -0500
+
  Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 90 14:05:38 -0500
−
From:    [email protected] (Kent Landfield)
+
  From:    [email protected] (Kent Landfield)
−
To:      [email protected]
+
  To:      [email protected]
−
Subject: E-mail address change
+
  Subject: E-mail address change
  
−
Hello,
+
  Hello,
  
−
I am currently receiving ietf related email at
+
  I am currently receiving ietf related email at
−
[email protected].  I am moving to sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM
+
  [email protected].  I am moving to sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM
−
as the ssbell system is going away.  Could you please change my
+
  as the ssbell system is going away.  Could you please change my
−
address to [email protected] so that I can stay on the
+
  address to [email protected] so that I can stay on the
−
list ? Thanks.
+
  list ? Thanks.
  
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B.2.  Message Sent to Postmaster
 
B.2.  Message Sent to Postmaster
  
−+
−
Subject: Address -  <ssbell!kent>
+
  Subject: Address -  <ssbell!kent>
−
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 13:44:24 PDT
+
  Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 13:44:24 PDT
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
+
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
Hi,
+
  Hi,
  
−
Please delete the mailbox ssbell!kent from the "post-ietf" list.  I
+
  Please delete the mailbox ssbell!kent from the "post-ietf" list.  I
−
will add his new address "[email protected]" directly to
+
  will add his new address "[email protected]" directly to
−
the ietf list.  Thanks. Ann
+
  the ietf list.  Thanks. Ann
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
                          APPENDIX C
+
                              APPENDIX C
  
 
Another problem comes up when a sublist happens to be located in another
 
Another problem comes up when a sublist happens to be located in another
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the mail relay THINK.COM.
 
the mail relay THINK.COM.
  
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C.1.  Error Report
 
C.1.  Error Report
  
−+
−
Date:    Fri, 05 Oct 90 23:45:26 -0400
+
  Date:    Fri, 05 Oct 90 23:45:26 -0400
−+
  From:    [email protected]
−
Subject: Warning From uucp
+
  Subject: Warning From uucp
  
−
We have been unable to contact machine 'signet' since you
+
  We have been unable to contact machine 'signet' since you
−
queued your job.
+
  queued your job.
  
−
        mail signet!ietf-interest    (Date 10/04)
+
          mail signet!ietf-interest    (Date 10/04)
  
−
Attempts will continue for a few more days.
+
  Attempts will continue for a few more days.
  
−
        Sincerely,
+
          Sincerely,
−
        early-bird!uucp
+
          early-bird!uucp
  
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C.2.  Message Sent to Postmaster
 
C.2.  Message Sent to Postmaster
  
−+
−
Subject: unable to contact machine 'signet'
+
  Subject: unable to contact machine 'signet'
−+
  Reply-To: [email protected]
−
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 90 09:42:54 PDT
+
  Date: Mon, 08 Oct 90 09:42:54 PDT
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
+
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
Hi,
+
  Hi,
  
−
We have a mailbox on the ietf list that gets relayed through your
+
  We have a mailbox on the ietf list that gets relayed through your
−
host THINK.COM. We will have to delete this mailbox if a connection
+
  host THINK.COM. We will have to delete this mailbox if a connection
−
cannot be corrected.  Thanks, Ann
+
  cannot be corrected.  Thanks, Ann
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
                            APPENDIX D
+
                              APPENDIX D
  
 
Sometimes, the addresses reported in error can't be found on the IETF
 
Sometimes, the addresses reported in error can't be found on the IETF
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sublist.
 
sublist.
  
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D.1.  Error Report
 
D.1.  Error Report
  
−
Return-Path: [email protected]
+
  Return-Path: [email protected]
−
Received-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 14:34:51 PST
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  Received-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 14:34:51 PST
−
Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4)
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        id <AA16502>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 14:34:51 PST
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          id <AA16502>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 14:34:51 PST
−
Posted-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 13:54:08 -0800
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  Posted-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 13:54:08 -0800
−
Received: from UUNET.UU.NET by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
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  Received: from UUNET.UU.NET by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
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        id <AA27149>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 14:34:34 -0800
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          id <AA27149>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 14:34:34 -0800
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Received: from vitam6.UUCP by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with UUCP
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  Received: from vitam6.UUCP by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with UUCP
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        id AA12926; Wed, 7 Nov 90 17:34:28 -0500
+
          id AA12926; Wed, 7 Nov 90 17:34:28 -0500
−
Received: by vitam6.ENG.Vitalink.COM (5.61/1.35)
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  Received: by vitam6.ENG.Vitalink.COM (5.61/1.35)
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        id AC03235; Wed, 7 Nov 90 13:54:08 -0800
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          id AC03235; Wed, 7 Nov 90 13:54:08 -0800
−
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 13:54:08 -0800
+
  Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 13:54:08 -0800
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
−+
−+
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
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      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  
−
550 andrew_greenfield.safari@gatorcorp,
+
  550 andrew_greenfield.safari@gatorcorp,
−
    [email protected] unknown
+
      [email protected] unknown
  
−
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 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
D.2.  Message Sent to Postmaster
 
D.2.  Message Sent to Postmaster
  
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Subject: andrew_greenfield.safari@gatorcorp,
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  Subject: andrew_greenfield.safari@gatorcorp,
−
        melinda_le_baron.safari@gatorcorp... Host unknown
+
            melinda_le_baron.safari@gatorcorp... Host unknown
−+
  Reply-To: [email protected]
−
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 15:30:24 PST
+
  Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 15:30:24 PST
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
+
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
Hi,
+
  Hi,
  
−
We have an exploder mailbox on the IETF list called
+
  We have an exploder mailbox on the IETF list called
−
"[email protected]".  I'm not sure, but I think the
+
  "[email protected]".  I'm not sure, but I think the
−
following addresses may be on that list.  Please look into this
+
  following addresses may be on that list.  Please look into this
−
"host unknown" problem.  If these addresses need to be deleted,
+
  "host unknown" problem.  If these addresses need to be deleted,
−
please do so.
+
  please do so.
  
−
Thanks,
+
  Thanks,
−
Ann
+
  Ann
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
−
                            APPENDIX E
+
 
 +
                              APPENDIX E
  
 
Every host on the Internet that processes mail is required to have a
 
Every host on the Internet that processes mail is required to have a
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E.1.  Message Sent to IETF-Request
 
E.1.  Message Sent to IETF-Request
  
−
To:      ([email protected])
+
  To:      ([email protected])
−
From:    Caralyn Brown (CBROWN@ENR)
+
  From:    Caralyn Brown (CBROWN@ENR)
−
Date:    10 Jan 91  8:24 AM
+
  Date:    10 Jan 91  8:24 AM
−
Subject:  please remove me from this list
+
  Subject:  please remove me from this list
  
−
Please remove me from this list.  I'm changing companies and I'd like
+
  Please remove me from this list.  I'm changing companies and I'd like
−
to keep the mailbox from getting out of hand.  If it's not too much
+
  to keep the mailbox from getting out of hand.  If it's not too much
−
trouble, could you just send me a confirmation that I was deleted?
+
  trouble, could you just send me a confirmation that I was deleted?
−
Thanks.
+
  Thanks.
  
−
caralyn
+
  caralyn
  
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E.2.  Message Sent to Postmaster
 
E.2.  Message Sent to Postmaster
  
−+
−+
−
Subject: Please delete from "[email protected]" - Carolyn Brown
+
  Subject: Please delete from "[email protected]" - Carolyn Brown
−+
  Reply-To: [email protected]
−
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 09:50:15 PST
+
  Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 09:50:15 PST
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
+
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
Hi,
+
  Hi,
  
−
Please delete Carolyn from your sublist.  We do not have her address
+
  Please delete Carolyn from your sublist.  We do not have her address
−
listed individually on the main IETF list.
+
  listed individually on the main IETF list.
  
−
Thanks, Ann
+
  Thanks, Ann
  
−
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+
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 +
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 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
E.3.  Error Report
 
E.3.  Error Report
  
−
From: [email protected] (List Service version
+
  From: [email protected] (List Service version
−
      1.0.x463)
+
        1.0.x463)
−
Subject: returned mail
+
  Subject: returned mail
−
Message-Type: Return
+
  Message-Type: Return
−+
  
−
Your mail addressed to "postmaster" could not be processed: There is
+
  Your mail addressed to "postmaster" could not be processed: There is
−
no mailing list named "postmaster" at this site.
+
  no mailing list named "postmaster" at this site.
  
−
For help, send to [email protected]; to receive an index of
+
  For help, send to [email protected]; to receive an index of
−
available lists, send to [email protected]; to reach a List
+
  available lists, send to [email protected]; to reach a List
−
Administrator, send to [email protected].
+
  Administrator, send to [email protected].
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
            APPENDIX F - Examples of Error Messages
+
                APPENDIX F - Examples of Error Messages
  
 
F.1. Delayed Delivery Notices
 
F.1. Delayed Delivery Notices
  
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Connection timed out during user
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Connection timed out during user
−
        open with uiucdcsm-uiuc-dcs-net.cs.uiuc.edu
+
            open with uiucdcsm-uiuc-dcs-net.cs.uiuc.edu
−
Posted-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 91 12:46:51 -0800
+
  Posted-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 91 12:46:51 -0800
−
Received: by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
+
  Received: by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
−
        id <AA08435>; Fri, 4 Jan 91 12:46:51 -0800
+
          id <AA08435>; Fri, 4 Jan 91 12:46:51 -0800
−+
 +
 
 +
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 +
  >>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
 +
  <<< 550 (USER) Unknown user name in "[email protected]"
 +
  550 [email protected]... User unknown
 +
  451 [email protected]... reply: read error
 +
  [email protected]... reply: read error
 +
  421 dockmaster.ncsc.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
 +
      user open with DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
 +
  421 va.nkw.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
 +
      user open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
 +
  421 nsl.dec.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 +
      open with jove.pa.dec.com
 +
  451 [email protected]... timeout waiting for input
 +
      [email protected]... timeout waiting for input
 +
  451 [email protected]... reply: read error
 +
      [email protected]... reply: read error
 +
  421 sccgate.scc.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
 +
      user open with sccgate.scc.com
 +
  421 a.isi.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection refused by a.ISI.EDU
 +
  421 cs.ucl.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 +
      open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
 +
  421 oasys.dt.navy.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
 +
      user open with oasys.dt.navy.mil
 +
  421 peocu1.navy.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 +
      open with PEOCU1.NAVY.MIL
 +
  421 enh.nist.gov.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 +
      open with enh.nist.gov
 +
  421 mickey.imsd.contel.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection refused by
 +
      MICKEY.IMSD.CONTEL.COM
 +
  421 uv4.eglin.af.mil.tcp..Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 +
      open with uv6.eglin.af.mil
 +
  421 ima.isc.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 +
      open with ima.ima.isc.com
 +
  421 huachuca-emh8.army.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection refused by
 +
      HUACHUCA-EMH8.ARMY.MIL
 +
  421 vaxa.nerc-keyworth.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 
−
>>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
 
−
<<< 550 (USER) Unknown user name in "[email protected]"
 
−
550 [email protected]... User unknown
 
−
451 [email protected]... reply: read error
 
−
[email protected]... reply: read error
 
−
421 dockmaster.ncsc.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
 
−
    user open with DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
 
−
421 va.nkw.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
 
−
    user open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
 
−
421 nsl.dec.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 
−
    open with jove.pa.dec.com
 
−
451 [email protected]... timeout waiting for input
 
−
    [email protected]... timeout waiting for input
 
−
451 [email protected]... reply: read error
 
−
    [email protected]... reply: read error
 
−
421 sccgate.scc.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
 
−
    user open with sccgate.scc.com
 
−
421 a.isi.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection refused by a.ISI.EDU
 
−
421 cs.ucl.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 
−
    open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
 
−
421 oasys.dt.navy.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
 
−
    user open with oasys.dt.navy.mil
 
−
421 peocu1.navy.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 
−
    open with PEOCU1.NAVY.MIL
 
−
421 enh.nist.gov.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 
−
    open with enh.nist.gov
 
−
421 mickey.imsd.contel.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection refused by
 
−
    MICKEY.IMSD.CONTEL.COM
 
−
421 uv4.eglin.af.mil.tcp..Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 
−
    open with uv6.eglin.af.mil
 
−
421 ima.isc.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
 
−
    open with ima.ima.isc.com
 
−
421 huachuca-emh8.army.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection refused by
 
−
    HUACHUCA-EMH8.ARMY.MIL
 
−
421 vaxa.nerc-keyworth.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out
 
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
    during user open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
+
      during user open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
−
421 gdr.bath.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
+
  421 gdr.bath.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
−
    open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
+
      open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
−
421 ccint1.rsre.mod.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
+
  421 ccint1.rsre.mod.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
−
    user open with ccint1.rsre.mod.uk
+
      user open with ccint1.rsre.mod.uk
−
550 [email protected]... Host unknown
+
  550 [email protected]... Host unknown
−
421 hqafsc-vax.af.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
+
  421 hqafsc-vax.af.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
−
    user open with HQAFSC-VAX.AF.MIL
+
      user open with HQAFSC-VAX.AF.MIL
−
421 nic.nordu.net.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
+
  421 nic.nordu.net.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
−
    open with nic.nordu.net
+
      open with nic.nordu.net
−
421 aedc-vax.af.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
+
  421 aedc-vax.af.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
−
    open with AEDC-VAX.AF.MIL
+
      open with AEDC-VAX.AF.MIL
−
421 letterkenn-emh1.army.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out
+
  421 letterkenn-emh1.army.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out
−
    during user open with LETTERKENN-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
+
      during user open with LETTERKENN-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
−
421 dumle.kommhuset.se.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
+
  421 dumle.kommhuset.se.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
−
    user open with sunic.sunet.se
+
      user open with sunic.sunet.se
−
421 cis.uab.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
+
  421 cis.uab.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
−
    open with cisa.CIS.UAB.EDU
+
      open with cisa.CIS.UAB.EDU
−
421 server.af.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
+
  421 server.af.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
−
    open with server.af.mil
+
      open with server.af.mil
−
421 issun3.stc.nl.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
+
  421 issun3.stc.nl.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
−
    open with issun3.stc.nl
+
      open with issun3.stc.nl
−
421 cs.uiuc.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
+
  421 cs.uiuc.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
−
    open with uiucdcsm-uiuc-dcs-net.cs.uiuc.edu
+
      open with uiucdcsm-uiuc-dcs-net.cs.uiuc.edu
  
−
          -------------
+
              -------------
 
************************************************************************
 
************************************************************************
  
 
F.2. Failed Mail
 
F.2. Failed Mail
  
−
Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 90 5:00:40 EST
+
  Date:    Tue, 30 Oct 90 5:00:40 EST
−
From: BBN Mail System (MMDF) <[email protected]>
+
  From: BBN Mail System (MMDF) <[email protected]>
−+
−
Subject:  Failed mail  (msg.aa09055)
+
  Subject:  Failed mail  (msg.aa09055)
−+
  
−
After 12 days (276 hours), your message could not be fully delivered.
+
  After 12 days (276 hours), your message could not be fully delivered.
  
−
It failed to be received by the following address(es):
+
  It failed to be received by the following address(es):
  
−
    [email protected] (host: cc5.bbn.com) (queue: smtp)
+
      [email protected] (host: cc5.bbn.com) (queue: smtp)
  
−
Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving
+
  Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving
−
machine.  Less often, they are caused by the communication system.
+
  machine.  Less often, they are caused by the communication system.
  
 
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 +
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 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.3.  Waiting Mail
 
F.3.  Waiting Mail
  
−
To: RELAY Mail System (MMDF) <[email protected]>
+
  To: RELAY Mail System (MMDF) <[email protected]>
−
Cc: owner-ietf <@RELAY.CS.NET:[email protected]>
+
  Cc: owner-ietf <@RELAY.CS.NET:[email protected]>
−+
  Reply-To: [email protected]
−
Subject: Re: Waiting mail (msg.aa00720)
+
  Subject: Re: Waiting mail (msg.aa00720)
−
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 02 Oct 90 07:45:14 -0400.
+
  In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 02 Oct 90 07:45:14 -0400.
−
            <[email protected]>
+
                <[email protected]>
−
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 90 10:11:03 PDT
+
  Date: Mon, 08 Oct 90 10:11:03 PDT
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
+
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
> After 5 days (105 hours), your message has not yet been
+
  > After 5 days (105 hours), your message has not yet been
−
> fully delivered.  Attempts to deliver the message will continue
+
  > fully delivered.  Attempts to deliver the message will continue
−
> for 2 more days.  No further action is required by you.
+
  > for 2 more days.  No further action is required by you.
−
>
+
  >
−
> Delivery attempts are still pending for the following address(es):
+
  > Delivery attempts are still pending for the following address(es):
−
>
+
  >
−
>      @zix.gmd.dbp.de:[email protected]
+
  >      @zix.gmd.dbp.de:[email protected]
−
>      (host: zix.gmd.dbp.de)(queue: dfn)
+
  >      (host: zix.gmd.dbp.de)(queue: dfn)
−
>
+
  >
−
> Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving
+
  > Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving
−
> machine.  Less often, they are caused by the communication system.
+
  > machine.  Less often, they are caused by the communication system.
  
 
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F.4.  What Started Out as a Sublist with No Active Users
 
F.4.  What Started Out as a Sublist with No Active Users
  
−
a.  Error Report
+
  a.  Error Report
  
−
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 22:13:12 +0200
+
  Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 22:13:12 +0200
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
−
To: owner-ietf
+
  To: owner-ietf
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
While talking to mailhost.Gipsi.FR:
+
  While talking to mailhost.Gipsi.FR:
−
>>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
+
  >>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
−
<<< 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
+
  <<< 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
−
550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
+
  550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
  
−
          ----------
+
              ----------
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
  
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
−
b.  Message Sent to Postmaster
 
  
−
TO: Postmaster@gisi.gipsi.fr
+
  b. Message Sent to Postmaster
−
Subject: 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
 
− 
−
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 90 09:56:20 PDT
 
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
 
  
−
Hi,
+
 +
  Subject: 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
 +
  Reply-To: [email protected]
 +
  Date: Tue, 11 Sep 90 09:56:20 PDT
 +
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
I have received numerous error messages like this for over a week.
+
  Hi,
−
There appears to be a mailbox on your exploder that is invalid,
 
−
please delete it.
 
  
−
Thanks, --Ann
+
  I have received numerous error messages like this for over a week.
 +
  There appears to be a mailbox on your exploder that is invalid,
 +
  please delete it.
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
  Thanks, --Ann
  
−
c.  Reply From Postmaster
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
−
From: edmonde@ubu.gipsi.fr (Edmonde Duteurtre)
+
  c. Reply From Postmaster
−
To: westine
 
−
In-Reply-To: Ann Westine's message of Tue,
 
−
            11 Sep 90 09:56:20 PDT
 
− 
−
Subject: 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
 
  
−
Hello
+
  From: [email protected] (Edmonde Duteurtre)
 +
  To: westine
 +
  In-Reply-To: Ann Westine's message of Tue,
 +
                11 Sep 90 09:56:20 PDT
 +
 +
  Subject: 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
  
−+
  Hello
−
[email protected] mailed only one person: [email protected] but
 
−
this person has leaved our company, and you should cancel this
 
−
addresses.
 
  
−
I think we get enough informations through the news.  I think you
+
−
should cancel us ([email protected]) on the mailing list ietf.
+
  [email protected] mailed only one person: [email protected] but
 +
  this person has leaved our company, and you should cancel this
 +
  addresses.
 +
 
 +
  I think we get enough informations through the news.  I think you
 +
  should cancel us ([email protected]) on the mailing list ietf.
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.5.  Sublists without local ownership
 
F.5.  Sublists without local ownership
  
−
In this error message there was not much to go on except the
+
  In this error message there was not much to go on except the
−
words IETF and the name of the host from where the mailer-daemon
+
  words IETF and the name of the host from where the mailer-daemon
−
sent the error.  Using that clue the mailing list was searched for
+
  sent the error.  Using that clue the mailing list was searched for
−
that host name (SATURN).  It was a sublist. It appears that there is
+
  that host name (SATURN).  It was a sublist. It appears that there is
−
something internally wrong with the sublist and this error should
+
  something internally wrong with the sublist and this error should
−
have gone to the postmaster or owner of the [email protected] list
+
  have gone to the postmaster or owner of the [email protected] list
−
instead of the IETF owner.  A message was sent to the postmaster.  No
+
  instead of the IETF owner.  A message was sent to the postmaster.  No
−
reply was received, but the condition was fixed.
+
  reply was received, but the condition was fixed.
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
−
a.  Error Report
+
  a.  Error Report
  
−
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 14:42:57 EDT
+
  Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 14:42:57 EDT
−
From: MAILER-DAEMON%[email protected] (Mail Delivery
+
  From: MAILER-DAEMON%[email protected] (Mail Delivery
−
                                                Subsystem)
+
                                                    Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 13
+
  Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 13
−+
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
/p/news/ietf/21770: Permission denied
+
  /p/news/ietf/21770: Permission denied
−
554 "| /usr/local/news -s ietf"... unknown mailer error 13
+
  554 "| /usr/local/news -s ietf"... unknown mailer error 13
  
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
−
b. Message Sent to Postmaster
+
  b. Message Sent to Postmaster
  
−+
−
cc: ietf-request
+
  cc: ietf-request
−+
  Reply-To: [email protected]
−
Subject: 554 "| /usr/local/news -s ietf"
+
  Subject: 554 "| /usr/local/news -s ietf"
−
    ... unknown mailer error 13
+
      ... unknown mailer error 13
−
In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 03 Oct 90 14:42:57 -0400.
+
  In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 03 Oct 90 14:42:57 -0400.
−+
        <[email protected]>
−
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 90 10:53:02 PDT
+
  Date: Mon, 08 Oct 90 10:53:02 PDT
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
+
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
Hi,
+
  Hi,
  
−
Please fix the problem with the following mailbox
+
  Please fix the problem with the following mailbox
−+
  
−
Thanks, Ann
+
  Thanks, Ann
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.6.  Repetitive Error Every Couple of Months from Same Host
 
F.6.  Repetitive Error Every Couple of Months from Same Host
  
−
a.  Message Dated August 90
+
  a.  Message Dated August 90
  
−
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 90 09:21:26 -0700
+
  Date: Tue, 21 Aug 90 09:21:26 -0700
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
−
To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>
+
  To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
+
  mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
−
(permanent failure)
+
  (permanent failure)
  
−
554 <netrix::gillin>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
+
  554 <netrix::gillin>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
−
  answer from name server)
+
    answer from name server)
  
−
  ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
+
      ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
−
<erlang::chiu> (sent)
+
  <erlang::chiu> (sent)
−
<netrix::gillin> (bounced)
+
  <netrix::gillin> (bounced)
−
<erlang::rama> (sent)
+
  <erlang::rama> (sent)
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
−
b.  Message Dated October 90
+
  b.  Message Dated October 90
  
−
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 05:02:53 -0800
+
  Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 05:02:53 -0800
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
−
To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>
+
  To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
+
  mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
−
        during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
+
          during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
−
        Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
+
          Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
−
%MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
+
  %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
−
-SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
+
  -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
−
554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
+
  554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
−
  answer from name server)
+
    answer from name server)
  
−
  ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
+
      ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
−
<erlang::chiu> (bounced)
+
  <erlang::chiu> (bounced)
−
<netrix::gillin> (sent)
+
  <netrix::gillin> (sent)
−
<erlang::rama> (sent)
+
  <erlang::rama> (sent)
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
  
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
−
c.  Message Dated December 90
 
  
−
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 90 21:40:47 -0800
+
  c.  Message Dated December 90
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
 
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
 
− 
  
 +
  Date: Sun, 16 Dec 90 21:40:47 -0800
 +
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
 +
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
 +
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 
−
mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
 
−
(permanent failure)
 
  
−
554 <[email protected]>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
answer from name server)
+
  mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
 +
  (permanent failure)
  
−
   ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
+
   554 <[email protected]>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
 +
  answer from name server)
  
−
<[email protected]> (bounced)
+
      ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
  <[email protected]> (bounced)
  
−
d.  Message Dated December 90
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
−
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 90 23:01:21 -0800
+
  d.  Message Dated December 90
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
 
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
 
− 
  
−
   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
   Date: Sun, 16 Dec 90 23:01:21 -0800
−
mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
(permanent failure)
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
 +
 +
 
 +
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 +
  mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
 +
  (permanent failure)
 +
 
 +
  554 <gillin%[email protected]>... 550 Host unknown
 +
  (Authoritative answer from name server)
  
−
554 <gillin%[email protected]>... 550 Host unknown
+
      ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
−
(Authoritative answer from name server)
 
  
−
   ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
+
   <[email protected]> (sent)
 +
  mogul@acetes (sent)
 +
  <gillin%[email protected]> (bounced)
 +
  <chiu%[email protected]> (sent)
  
−+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
−
mogul@acetes (sent)
 
−
<gillin%[email protected]> (bounced)
 
−
<chiu%[email protected]> (sent)
 
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
 
  
  
Line 1,043: Line 1,120:
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
e.  Message Dated January 91
+
  e.  Message Dated January 91
  
−
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 91 17:05:53 -0800
+
  Date: Sun, 6 Jan 91 17:05:53 -0800
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
−+
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "bigfut",
+
  mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "bigfut",
−
  during mail delivery to <BIGFUT::CALLON>.
+
    during mail delivery to <BIGFUT::CALLON>.
−
  Remote error code is 0x7e81fa, message is:(can't decypher error
+
    Remote error code is 0x7e81fa, message is:(can't decypher error
−
  code)
+
    code)
−
550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
+
  550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
  
 
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F.7.  Host Unknown or Sublist
 
F.7.  Host Unknown or Sublist
  
−
The address "lucb-ml@OPUS" is not an Internet style domain name. The
+
  The address "lucb-ml@OPUS" is not an Internet style domain name. The
−
exploder [email protected] has this address on its sublist, and
+
  exploder [email protected] has this address on its sublist, and
−
CSA.McGILL.CA does not recognize this host.  (This error should have
+
  CSA.McGILL.CA does not recognize this host.  (This error should have
−
gone to the sublist owner at CS.MCGILL.CA).
+
  gone to the sublist owner at CS.MCGILL.CA).
  
−
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 19:45:14 -0400
+
  Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 19:45:14 -0400
−
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem  <[email protected]>
+
  From: Mail Delivery Subsystem  <[email protected]>
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
−+
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
550 "Luc Boulianne"    <lucb-ml@opus>... Host unknown
+
  550 "Luc Boulianne"    <lucb-ml@opus>... Host unknown
  
 
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F.8.  "HOST UNKNOWN" and the Host Really Is Known
 
F.8.  "HOST UNKNOWN" and the Host Really Is Known
  
−
Usually a "host unknown" report is not acted on unless it is repeated
+
  Usually a "host unknown" report is not acted on unless it is repeated
−
over a period of several days.  In many cases the hosts really do
+
  over a period of several days.  In many cases the hosts really do
−
exist, but they're just down for a couple of days, or there are
+
  exist, but they're just down for a couple of days, or there are
−
network problems reaching it (or it's name serrver).
+
  network problems reaching it (or it's name serrver).
  
−
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 90 08:45:56 -0800
+
  Date: Fri, 2 Nov 90 08:45:56 -0800
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
−+
  
−
        ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
          ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
  550 nrc.com.tcp... 550 Host unknown
+
    550 nrc.com.tcp... 550 Host unknown
−
  550 [email protected]... Host unknown
+
    550 [email protected]... Host unknown
  
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
 
  
−
WHATHOST CHECK
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
−
        westine 28%  whathost nrc.com
+
  WHATHOST CHECK
−
        Host: nrc.com  ==>  129.216.200.51
 
  
−
        westine 82% whathost 129.216.200.51
+
          westine 28%  whathost nrc.com
−
        Host: aztec.NRC.COM  ==>  129.216.200.51
+
          Host: nrc.com  ==>  129.216.200.51
 +
 
 +
          westine 82% whathost 129.216.200.51
 +
          Host: aztec.NRC.COM  ==>  129.216.200.51
  
 
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F.9.  Host Unknown and MXed to Another Host.
 
F.9.  Host Unknown and MXed to Another Host.
  
−
DNS says AMES will forward mail for ADAPT, but mailer at AMES says
+
  DNS says AMES will forward mail for ADAPT, but mailer at AMES says
−
ADAPT is unknown.  Should ask postmaster at AMES to fix either mailer
+
  ADAPT is unknown.  Should ask postmaster at AMES to fix either mailer
−
or DNS data.
+
  or DNS data.
  
−
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 90 09:39:35 PST
+
  Date: Wed, 31 Oct 90 09:39:35 PST
−+
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
−+
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
bad system name: ADAPT
+
  bad system name: ADAPT
−
uux failed ( 68 )
+
  uux failed ( 68 )
−
550 [email protected]... Host unknown
+
  550 [email protected]... Host unknown
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
−
westine 86% dig adapt.net.com any
+
  westine 86% dig adapt.net.com any
  
−
; <<>> DiG <<>> adapt.net.com any
+
  ; <<>> DiG <<>> adapt.net.com any
−
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 6
+
  ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 6
−
;; flags: qr aa rd ra  Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 0, Addit: 2
+
  ;; flags: qr aa rd ra  Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 0, Addit: 2
  
−
;; QUESTIONS:
+
  ;; QUESTIONS:
−
;;      adapt.net.com, type = ANY, class = IN
+
  ;;      adapt.net.com, type = ANY, class = IN
  
−
;; ANSWERS:
+
  ;; ANSWERS:
−
adapt.net.com  IN  MX  10 ames.arc.nasa.gov  ; 84029
+
  adapt.net.com  IN  MX  10 ames.arc.nasa.gov  ; 84029
−
adapt.net.com  IN  MX  20 tymix.tymnet.com    ; 84029
+
  adapt.net.com  IN  MX  20 tymix.tymnet.com    ; 84029
  
−
;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS:
+
  ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS:
−
ames.arc.nasa.gov      IN  A  128.102.18.3  ; 158777
+
  ames.arc.nasa.gov      IN  A  128.102.18.3  ; 158777
−
tymix.tymnet.com        IN  A  131.146.2.1    ; 86400
+
  tymix.tymnet.com        IN  A  131.146.2.1    ; 86400
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.10.  User Unknown
 
F.10.  User Unknown
  
−
Most "User Unknown" error messages listed individually on the main
+
  Most "User Unknown" error messages listed individually on the main
−
list get deleted.  Those on a sublist, require a message to the
+
  list get deleted.  Those on a sublist, require a message to the
−
postmaster or list maintainer.  They are asked to delete the
+
  postmaster or list maintainer.  They are asked to delete the
−
invalid user mailbox from their local list.
+
  invalid user mailbox from their local list.
  
 
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F.10.1.  Add User but Address Fails
 
F.10.1.  Add User but Address Fails
  
−
This is a case where the recipient was checking to see if his mailbox
+
  This is a case where the recipient was checking to see if his mailbox
−
was already on the list and if not to readd him.  He was readded to
+
  was already on the list and if not to readd him.  He was readded to
−
the list.  A "user unknown" error message was received on the
+
  the list.  A "user unknown" error message was received on the
−
confirming message that was sent notifying recipient that he had been
+
  confirming message that was sent notifying recipient that he had been
−
added.
+
  added.
 +
 
 +
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−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
  a.  Message Sent to User And Postmaster
  
−
a. Message Sent to User And Postmaster
+
  To: postmaster@janus.enet.decl.com, [email protected]
 +
  Cc: westine, [email protected]
 +
  Subject: RE: <[email protected]>
 +
  Date: Wed, 07 Nov 90 10:15:40 PST
 +
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−+
  Hi Stewart and Postmaster,
−
Cc: westine, [email protected]
 
−
Subject: RE: <[email protected]>
 
−
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 90 10:15:40 PST
 
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
 
  
−
Hi Stewart and Postmaster,
+
  I readded your name to the IETF list but there seems to be problems
 +
  with connections to DECnet hosts right now.  I have seen lots of
 +
  errors like this lately.  Postmaster, please check into this.  JANUS
 +
  is not the only host with an error, there are other hosts like this
 +
  in trouble.
  
−
I readded your name to the IETF list but there seems to be problems
+
  For example.
−
with connections to DECnet hosts right now.  I have seen lots of
 
−
errors like this lately.  Postmaster, please check into this.  JANUS
 
−
is not the only host with an error, there are other hosts like this
 
−
in trouble.
 
  
−
For example.
+
      From: MAILER-DAEMON@decwrl.dec.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
 +
      Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
 +
      To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>
  
−
    From: MAILER-[email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
          ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
    Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
+
      mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
−
    To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>
+
                during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
 +
                Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
 +
      %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
 +
      -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
 +
      554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer
  
−
        ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 
−
    mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
 
−
            during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
 
−
            Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
 
−
    %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
 
−
    -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
 
−
    554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer
 
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
          from name server)
+
              from name server)
  
−
        ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
+
          ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
−
    <erlang::chiu> (bounced)
+
        <erlang::chiu> (bounced)
−
    <netrix::gillin> (sent)
+
        <netrix::gillin> (sent)
−
    <erlang::rama> (sent)
+
        <erlang::rama> (sent)
−
            -------
+
                -------
−
    Thank you, Ann
+
      Thank you, Ann
  
−
        To: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2,
+
            To: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2,
−
            DTN: 830 4682" <[email protected]>
+
                DTN: 830 4682" <[email protected]>
−
        Cc: [email protected]
+
            Cc: [email protected]
−
        Subject: Re: dist list
+
            Subject: Re: dist list
−
        In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 06 Nov 90 03:02:09 0800.
+
            In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 06 Nov 90 03:02:09 0800.
−
                    <[email protected]>
+
                      <[email protected]>
−
        Date: Tue, 06 Nov 90 13:54:23 PST
+
            Date: Tue, 06 Nov 90 13:54:23 PST
−
        From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
+
            From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
        Hi Stewart,
+
            Hi Stewart,
  
−
        > Please will you check that I have not been deleted
+
            > Please will you check that I have not been deleted
−
        > from this distribution list.
+
            > from this distribution list.
−
        >
+
            >
−
        > My email address is > [email protected]
+
            > My email address is > [email protected]
  
−
      I readded you to the list.  Thanks, Ann
+
        I readded you to the list.  Thanks, Ann
  
−
        ------- Forwarded Message
+
            ------- Forwarded Message
  
−
        Date:    Tue, 06 Nov 90 17:25:15 -0800
+
            Date:    Tue, 06 Nov 90 17:25:15 -0800
−
        From:    [email protected]
+
            From:    [email protected]
−
        To:      [email protected]
+
            To:      [email protected]
−
        Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
+
            Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
  
−
            ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
              ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  
−
        mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "janus",
+
            mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "janus",
−
                during mail delivery to <JANUS::BRYANT>.
+
                    during mail delivery to <JANUS::BRYANT>.
−
                Remote error code is 0x7e81d2, message is:
+
                    Remote error code is 0x7e81d2, message is:
−
        %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport NM
+
            %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport NM
−
                (can't decypher error code)
+
                    (can't decypher error code)
−
            550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
+
              550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
  
−
            ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
+
                ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
−
        <[email protected]> (bounced)
+
            <[email protected]> (bounced)
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
  
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
b.  Message From Postmaster
 
b.  Message From Postmaster
  
−
Return-path: [email protected]
+
  Return-path: [email protected]
−
Date:    Wed, 07 Nov 90 16:24:37 PST
+
  Date:    Wed, 07 Nov 90 16:24:37 PST
−
To:      [email protected]
+
  To:      [email protected]
−+
−
        [email protected]
+
            [email protected]
−
Subject: Re: <[email protected]>
+
  Subject: Re: <[email protected]>
−
From:    Paul A Vixie <[email protected]>
+
  From:    Paul A Vixie <[email protected]>
  
−
Anne,
+
  Anne,
  
−
This was a transient.  Please let me know if any other .enet.dec.com
+
  This was a transient.  Please let me know if any other .enet.dec.com
−
nodes are still unreachable.
+
  nodes are still unreachable.
  
−
Paul
+
  Paul
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
 
c.  Another Message to Postmaster
 
c.  Another Message to Postmaster
  
−
To: Paul A Vixie <[email protected]>
+
  To: Paul A Vixie <[email protected]>
−+
−+
−+
  Reply-To: [email protected]
−
Subject: Re: <[email protected]>
+
  Subject: Re: <[email protected]>
−
In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 07 Nov 90 16:24:37 -0800.
+
  In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 07 Nov 90 16:24:37 -0800.
−+
−
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 11:23:39 PST
+
  Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 11:23:39 PST
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
+
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
Hi Paul,
+
  Hi Paul,
  
−
There are a few other error message that I received last week and
+
  There are a few other error message that I received last week and
−
they seem to reoccur every couple of months.  Here is an example.
+
  they seem to reoccur every couple of months.  Here is an example.
−
What does this error mean?
+
  What does this error mean?
  
−
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 05:02:53 -0800
+
  Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 05:02:53 -0800
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
−
To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>
+
  To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
+
  mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
−
        during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
+
          during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
−
        Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
+
          Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
−
%MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
+
  %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
−
-SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
+
  -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
  
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
−
554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
 
−
  answer from name server)
 
  
−
   ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
+
   554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
−
<erlang::chiu> (bounced)
+
    answer from name server)
−
<netrix::gillin> (sent)
 
−
<erlang::rama> (sent)
 
−
<netrix::gillin> (sent)
 
−
<erlang::rama> (sent)
 
  
−
          ----------
+
      ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
 +
  <erlang::chiu> (bounced)
 +
  <netrix::gillin> (sent)
 +
  <erlang::rama> (sent)
 +
  <netrix::gillin> (sent)
 +
  <erlang::rama> (sent)
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
              ----------
 +
 
 +
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d.  Message From Postmaster
 
d.  Message From Postmaster
Line 1,335: Line 1,429:
  
 
This error:
 
This error:
−
        ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
          ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
    mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
+
        mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
−
            during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
+
                during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
−
            Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
+
                Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
−
    %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
+
        %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
−
    -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
+
        -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
−
    554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
+
        554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
−
                      answer from name server)
+
                          answer from name server)
  
 
  ...means that the person on ERLANG:: has forwarded their mail to a
 
  ...means that the person on ERLANG:: has forwarded their mail to a
Line 1,362: Line 1,456:
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.10.2.  No Such User
 
F.10.2.  No Such User
  
−
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 18:05 CDT
+
  Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 18:05 CDT
−
From: PMDF Mail Server <[email protected]>
+
  From: PMDF Mail Server <[email protected]>
−
Subject: Undeliverable mail
+
  Subject: Undeliverable mail
−+
  
−
The message could not be delivered to:
+
  The message could not be delivered to:
  
−
Addressee: gale
+
  Addressee: gale
−
Reason:
+
  Reason:
−
  %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user GALE at node CRCVMS
+
    %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user GALE at node CRCVMS
  
 
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F.11.  No Transcript
 
F.11.  No Transcript
  
−
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 90 13:21:03 -0700
+
  Date: Wed, 8 Aug 90 13:21:03 -0700
−
From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Host Name Lookup Failure
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Host Name Lookup Failure
−
To: owner-ietf
+
  To: owner-ietf
−
To: owner-ietf
+
  To: owner-ietf
−
To: westine
+
  To: westine
  
−
                        --------------
+
                          --------------
−
<text deleted>
+
  <text deleted>
  
 
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F.12.  Looping - Too Many Hops
 
F.12.  Looping - Too Many Hops
  
−
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:59 PDT
+
  Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:59 PDT
−
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]>
+
  From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]>
−
Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail
−
To:<@jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,
+
  To:<@jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,
−
  @jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,
+
    @jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,
−
  @jessica.stanford.edu:[email protected]>
+
    @jessica.stanford.edu:[email protected]>
 +
 
 +
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 +
  554 sendall: too many hops (17 max)
  
−
   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
   Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
−
554 sendall: too many hops (17 max)
+
      (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09128; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:36 PDT
 +
  Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
 +
      (5.59/25-eef) id AA17687; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:31 PDT
 +
  Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
 +
      (5.59/inc-1.0)id AA09124; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:28 PDT
 +
  Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
  
−
Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
 
−
  (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09128; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:36 PDT
 
−
Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
 
−
  (5.59/25-eef) id AA17687; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:31 PDT
 
−
Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
 
−
  (5.59/inc-1.0)id AA09124; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:28 PDT
 
−
Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
 
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
  (5.59/25-eef) id AA17674; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:22 PDT
+
      (5.59/25-eef) id AA17674; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:22 PDT
−
Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
+
  Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
−
  (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09120; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:19 PDT
+
      (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09120; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:19 PDT
−
Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
+
  Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
−
  (5.59/25-eef) id AA17658; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:13 PDT
+
      (5.59/25-eef) id AA17658; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:13 PDT
  
  
−
Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
+
  Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
−
  (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09116; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:11 PDT
+
      (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09116; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:11 PDT
−
Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
+
  Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
−
  (5.59/25-eef) id AA17645; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:05 PDT
+
      (5.59/25-eef) id AA17645; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:05 PDT
−
Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
+
  Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
−
  (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09112; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:03 PDT
+
      (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09112; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:03 PDT
−
Received: from VENERA.ISI.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
+
  Received: from VENERA.ISI.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
−
  (5.59/25-eef) id AA17625;
+
      (5.59/25-eef) id AA17625;
  
−
Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:07:50 PDT
+
  Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:07:50 PDT
−
Received: by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
+
  Received: by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
−
        id <AA29996>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 15:45:49 -0800
+
          id <AA29996>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 15:45:49 -0800
−
Received-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 15:45:45 -0800
+
  Received-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 15:45:45 -0800
−
Received: from NRI.RESTON.VA.US by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
+
  Received: from NRI.RESTON.VA.US by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
−
        id <AA29992>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 15:45:45 -0800
+
          id <AA29992>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 15:45:45 -0800
−
Received: from nri by NRI.NRI.Reston.VA.US id aa13139;7 Nov 90 18:26
+
  Received: from nri by NRI.NRI.Reston.VA.US id aa13139;7 Nov 90 18:26
−
To: Frank Kastenholz <kasten%[email protected]>
+
  To: Frank Kastenholz <kasten%[email protected]>
−+
−
Subject: Re: IETF mailing list
+
  Subject: Re: IETF mailing list
−
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 90 18:26:53 -0500
+
  Date: Wed, 07 Nov 90 18:26:53 -0500
−+
  
 
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F.13.  No Postmaster
 
F.13.  No Postmaster
  
−
a.  Error Message
+
  a.  Error Message
 +
 
 +
  Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 18:40:58 EST
 +
 +
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
 +
 +
 
 +
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 +
 
 +
  421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
 +
  550 Postmaster... User unknown
 +
 
 +
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−
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 18:40:58 EST
 
− 
−
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
 
− 
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 
  
−
421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
 
−
550 Postmaster... User unknown
 
  
−
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 +
  b.  Checking Hostname and Address
  
 +
  westine 37% dig osi3.ncsl.nist.gov any
  
 +
  ;; QUESTIONS:
 +
  ;;      osi3.ncsl.nist.gov, type = ANY, class = IN
  
−
b. Checking Hostname and Address
+
  ;; ANSWERS:
 +
  osi3.ncsl.nist.gov      IN      A      129.6.48.108    ; 86400
 +
  osi3.ncsl.nist.gov      IN      A      129.6.51.1      ; 86400
  
−
westine 37% dig osi3.ncsl.nist.gov any
+
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−
;; QUESTIONS:
+
  c. Checking For Users
−
;;      osi3.ncsl.nist.gov, type = ANY, class = IN
 
  
−
;; ANSWERS:
+
  westine 49% mconnect OSI3.NCSL.NIST.GOV
−
osi3.ncsl.nist.gov      IN      A      129.6.48.108   ; 86400
+
  connecting to host OSI3.NCSL.NIST.GOV (0x6c300681), port 0x1900
−
osi3.ncsl.nist.gov     IN      A      129.6.51.1      ; 86400
+
  connection open
 +
  220 osi3.ncsl.nist.gov sendmail 4.0/NIST(rbj/dougm) ready at
 +
     Thu, 8 Nov 90 13:58:49 EST
 +
  expn ietf
 +
   250-Dale Walters <walters>
 +
  250-Richard Colella <colella@emu.ncsl.nist.gov>
 +
  250 Doug Montgomery <dougm@warthog.ncsl.nist.gov>
  
−
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+
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−
c.  Checking For Users
+
  d.  Checking For Administrators
  
−
westine 49% mconnect OSI3.NCSL.NIST.GOV
+
  westine 44% whois osi3.ncsl.nist.gov
−
connecting to host OSI3.NCSL.NIST.GOV (0x6c300681), port 0x1900
+
  National Bureau of Standards (ICST-OSI3)
−
connection open
 
−
220 osi3.ncsl.nist.gov sendmail 4.0/NIST(rbj/dougm) ready at
 
−
  Thu, 8 Nov 90 13:58:49 EST
 
−
expn ietf
 
−
250-Dale Walters <walters>
 
−
250-Richard Colella <[email protected]>
 
−
250 Doug Montgomery <[email protected]>
 
  
−
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+
      Hostname: OSI3.NCSL.NIST.GOV
 +
      Nicknames: OSI3.ICST.NBS.GOV,ICST-OSI3.ARPA
 +
      Address: 129.6.48.108
 +
      System: SUN-3/160 running UNIX
  
−
d.  Checking For Administrators
+
      Coordinator:
 +
        Montgomery, Douglas C.  (DCM5)  [email protected]
 +
        (301) 975-3630
  
−
westine 44% whois osi3.ncsl.nist.gov
+
      Record last updated on 17-May-89.
−
National Bureau of Standards (ICST-OSI3)
 
  
−
  Hostname: OSI3.NCSL.NIST.GOV
+
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  Nicknames: OSI3.ICST.NBS.GOV,ICST-OSI3.ARPA
 
−
  Address: 129.6.48.108
 
−
  System: SUN-3/160 running UNIX
 
  
−
  Coordinator:
 
−
      Montgomery, Douglas C.  (DCM5)  [email protected]
 
−
      (301) 975-3630
 
  
−
  Record last updated on 17-May-89.
 
  
−
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 +
  e.  Message Sent to Coordinator
  
 +
  From [email protected] Thu Nov  8 13:58:40 1990
 +
  Posted-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 10:59:30 PST
 +
 +
 +
  Subject: RE:  421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
 +
      550 Postmaster... User unknown
 +
  Reply-To: [email protected]
 +
  Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 10:59:30 PST
 +
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
e.  Message Sent to Coordinator
+
  Hi Doug,
  
−
From [email protected] Thu Nov  8 13:58:40 1990
+
  If the Postmaster is "unknown" please delete him from your exploder
−
Posted-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 10:59:30 PST
+
  list "ietf@osi3.ncsl.nist.gov".  I have been receiving error messages
−
To: dougm@osi.ncsl.nist.gov
+
  like this one for several days now. If I don't hear from you, I will
−
Cc: westine@venera.isi.edu
+
  have to delete the above mailbox.
−
Subject: RE: 421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
 
−
    550 Postmaster... User unknown
 
− 
−
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 10:59:30 PST
 
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected].edu>
 
  
−
Hi Doug,
+
  Ann
  
−
If the Postmaster is "unknown" please delete him from your exploder
+
  >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
list "ietf@osi3.ncsl.nist.gov".  I have been receiving error messages
+
  > 421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
−
like this one for several days now.  If I don't hear from you, I will
+
  > 550 Postmaster... User unknown
−
have to delete the above mailbox.
 
  
−
Ann
+
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−
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
   f. Message From Coordinator
−
> 421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
 
−
> 550 Postmaster... User unknown
 
  
−
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+
  Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:34:02 EST
 +
  From: Doug Montgomery <[email protected]>
 +
  Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
 +
  Sub-Organization: National Computer Systems Laboratory
 +
 +
  Subject: RE: 421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
 +
            550 Postmaster... User unknown
 +
  
−
f.  Message From Coordinator
+
  I think I have found out what is wrong.  For some reason (we can
 +
  discuss this below)  your exploder is sending IETF mail to our
 +
  exploder ([email protected]) through the machine
 +
  osi.ncsl.nist.gov.  Now due to a recent subnet reconfiguration and
 +
  subsequent lack of update to our DNS servers, the DNS was returning
 +
  an incorrect address for osi3. Thus IETF mail would be sent to OSI,
 +
  which would try to forward it to OSI3 (using the wrong address).
 +
  OSI would think that OSI3 was down and dump the message, trying to
 +
    send a notice to Postmaster.  OSI doesn't have an aliase for
 +
  Postmaster and thus the second error message that you saw.
  
−
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:34:02 EST
 
−
From: Doug Montgomery <[email protected]>
 
−
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
 
−
Sub-Organization: National Computer Systems Laboratory
 
− 
−
Subject: RE:  421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
 
−
        550 Postmaster... User unknown
 
− 
  
−
I think I have found out what is wrong.  For some reason (we can
 
−
discuss this below)  your exploder is sending IETF mail to our
 
−
exploder ([email protected]) through the machine
 
−
osi.ncsl.nist.gov.  Now due to a recent subnet reconfiguration and
 
−
subsequent lack of update to our DNS servers, the DNS was returning
 
−
an incorrect address for osi3. Thus IETF mail would be sent to OSI,
 
−
which would try to forward it to OSI3 (using the wrong address).
 
−
OSI would think that OSI3 was down and dump the message, trying to
 
−
send a notice to Postmaster.  OSI doesn't have an aliase for
 
−
Postmaster and thus the second error message that you saw.
 
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 +
    These two problems have been fixed on OSI.  Now the question is what
 +
  address you have in your distribution list that would cause this
 +
  mail to go through OSI in the first place.  I guess you might have
 +
  something like "ietf%[email protected]." The other interesting
 +
  point about your list is that we receive IETF mail to our exploder
 +
    directly from venera.
  
−
These two problems have been fixed on OSI.  Now the question is what
+
    Thus I suspect that there are two entries for OSI3 on your
−
address you have in your distribution list that would cause this
+
  distribution list.  One that gets relayed through OSI and one that
−
mail to go through OSI in the first place. I guess you might have
+
  points directly to OSI3.  If this is the case please deleted
−
something like "ietf%osi3@osi.ncsl.nist.gov." The other interesting
+
    everything except the "ietf@osi3.ncsl.nist.gov." address.
−
point about your list is that we receive IETF mail to our exploder
 
−
directly from venera.
 
  
−
Thus I suspect that there are two entries for OSI3 on your
+
    If this is not the case or if there are other problems let me know.
−
distribution list.  One that gets relayed through OSI and one that
 
−
points directly to OSI3.  If this is the case please deleted
 
−
everything except the "[email protected]." address.
 
  
−
If this is not the case or if there are other problems let me know.
+
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+
  g.  My Reply Back
  
−
g. My Reply Back
+
  Here are all the addresses I have on the IETF list under NIST.GOV.
  
−
Here are all the addresses I have on the IETF list under NIST.GOV.
+
  [email protected].NIST.GOV,
 +
  
−
ietf@OSI3.NCSL.NIST.GOV,
+
  I'll deleted "mills@osi.ncsl.nist.gov".
−
mills@OSI.NCSL.NIST.GOV
 
  
−
I'll deleted "[email protected]".
+
  Here are two others at NIST
  
−
Here are two others at NIST
+
  hunt@ENH.NIST.GOV,
 +
  
−
hunt@ENH.NIST.GOV,
+
  By the way, on the following message, it looks like the Mailer-Daemon
−
sting@CAM.NIST.GOV
+
  message went from OSI.ncsl.nist.gov to enh.nist.gov to venera.isi.edu.
  
−
By the way, on the following message, it looks like the Mailer-Daemon
+
  --Ann
−
message went from OSI.ncsl.nist.gov to enh.nist.gov to venera.isi.edu.
 
  
−
--Ann
 
  
  
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
    Return-Path: [email protected]
+
      Return-Path: [email protected]
−
    Received-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:11 PST
+
      Received-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:11 PST
−
    Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4)
+
      Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4)
−
            id <AA19131>; Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:11 PST
+
              id <AA19131>; Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:11 PST
−
    Posted-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST
+
      Posted-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST
−
    Received: from enh.nist.gov by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
+
      Received: from enh.nist.gov by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
−
            id <AA03448>; Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:01 -0800
+
              id <AA03448>; Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:01 -0800
−
    Received: from OSI.NCSL.NIST.GOV by ENH.NIST.GOV;
+
      Received: from OSI.NCSL.NIST.GOV by ENH.NIST.GOV;
−
            Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:43 EDT
+
              Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:43 EDT
−
    Received: by osi.ncsl.nist.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB14654;
+
      Received: by osi.ncsl.nist.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB14654;
−
            Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST
+
              Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST
−
    Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST
+
      Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST
−
    From: [email protected]
+
      From: [email protected]
−
    Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
+
      Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
−+
      To: [email protected]
−
    Message-Id: <[email protected]>
+
      Message-Id: <[email protected]>
−
    X-Envelope-To: [email protected]
+
      X-Envelope-To: [email protected]
  
−
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
          ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
    421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
+
      421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
−
    550 Postmaster... User unknown
+
      550 Postmaster... User unknown
  
−
      ----- Unsent message follows -----
+
          ----- Unsent message follows -----
  
−
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−
h. Another Problem  .Forward
+
  h. Another Problem  .Forward
  
−
From: Doug Montgomery <[email protected]>
+
  From: Doug Montgomery <[email protected]>
−
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
+
  Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
−+
−
Subject: Re: 421 osi3:Host osi3 is down 550 Postmaster.. User unknown
+
  Subject: Re: 421 osi3:Host osi3 is down 550 Postmaster.. User unknown
  
−
Deleting the [email protected] entry should fix your problems.
+
  Deleting the [email protected] entry should fix your problems.
−
Mills has a .forward to osi3, thus explaining why IETF mail was going
+
  Mills has a .forward to osi3, thus explaining why IETF mail was going
−
---> OSI ---> OSI3.
+
  ---> OSI ---> OSI3.
  
−
I checked OSI's sendmail.cf and it is relaying through enh.  This,
+
  I checked OSI's sendmail.cf and it is relaying through enh.  This,
−
though has nothing to do with the previous problem.
+
  though has nothing to do with the previous problem.
  
−
I flushed the queue of IETF mail on OSI waiting to go to OSI3.  I
+
  I flushed the queue of IETF mail on OSI waiting to go to OSI3.  I
−
don't think you should see anymore bounced messages.
+
  don't think you should see anymore bounced messages.
  
−
Sorry that our local problems were causing you grief .... let me know
+
  Sorry that our local problems were causing you grief .... let me know
−
if it happens again.
+
  if it happens again.
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.14.  File Over Allocation
 
F.14.  File Over Allocation
  
−
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 10:35:49 -0700
+
  Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 10:35:49 -0700
−
From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Connection timed out during user
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Connection timed out during user
−
        open with ames.arc.nasa.gov
+
            open with ames.arc.nasa.gov
−
Posted-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 10:35:49 -0700
+
  Posted-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 10:35:49 -0700
−
To: owner-ietf
+
  To: owner-ietf
  
−
    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
>>> QUIT
+
  >>> QUIT
−
<<< 421 sage.acc.com SMTP Service not available:
+
  <<< 421 sage.acc.com SMTP Service not available:
−
    insufficient disk space.
+
      insufficient disk space.
−
451 [email protected]... reply: read error
+
  451 [email protected]... reply: read error
−
    [email protected]... reply: read error
+
        [email protected]... reply: read error
  
 
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F.15.  File Deleted
 
F.15.  File Deleted
  
−
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 90 14:21:57 EDT
+
  Date: Fri, 10 Aug 90 14:21:57 EDT
−
From: Daemon <[email protected]>
+
  From: Daemon <[email protected]>
−
Subject: Undeliverable mail
+
  Subject: Undeliverable mail
−
To: westine
+
  To: westine
  
−
Mail could not be delivered to the following address(es):
+
  Mail could not be delivered to the following address(es):
  
−
/usr/databases/bugs/[email protected]: No such file
+
  /usr/databases/bugs/[email protected]: No such file
−
    or directory
+
        or directory
  
 
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F.16.  Strange Postmaster
 
F.16.  Strange Postmaster
  
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a.  Message Forwarded to IETF-Request
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  a.  Message Forwarded to IETF-Request
  
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Forwarded: Thu, 21 Feb 91 14:31:09 PST
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  Forwarded: Thu, 21 Feb 91 14:31:09 PST
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Forwarded: westine
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  Forwarded: westine
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  Forwarded: [email protected]
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  Forwarded: [email protected]
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Return-Path: [email protected]
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  Return-Path: [email protected]
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Received-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:07 PST
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  Received-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:07 PST
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Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4)
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  Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4)
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        id <AA03679>; Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:07 PST
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          id <AA03679>; Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:07 PST
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Posted-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500
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  Posted-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500
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Received: from TIS.COM by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
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  Received: from TIS.COM by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
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        id <AA26292>; Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:01 -0800
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          id <AA26292>; Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:01 -0800
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Received: from TIS.COM by TIS.COM (4.1/SUN-5.64DB)
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  Received: from TIS.COM by TIS.COM (4.1/SUN-5.64DB)
  
  
  
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Westine & Postel                                             
  
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RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
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        id AA04098; Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:13 EST
 
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Reply-To: James M Galvin <[email protected]>
 
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Subject: Failed Mail to IETF
 
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Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500
 
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From: James M Galvin <[email protected]>
 
  
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------- Forwarded Message
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          id AA04098; Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:13 EST
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Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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  Reply-To: James M Galvin <[email protected]>
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  To: ietf-request@ISI.EDU
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To:         Bill_Anderson.G113_MAIL@qmgate.mitre.org
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  Subject: Failed Mail to IETF
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Date:       15 Feb 91 21:28:28
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  Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500
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Subject:   Can't Find MailCenter!
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  From: James M Galvin <[email protected]>
  
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                <text deleted>
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  ------- Forwarded Message
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  Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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  To:        [email protected]
 +
  Date:      15 Feb 91 21:28:28
 +
  Subject:    Can't Find MailCenter!
  
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                  <text deleted>
  
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b.  Problem Reported to MITRE
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   b. Problem Reported to MITRE
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Cc: westine, [email protected]
 
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Subject: RE:   Can't Find MailCenter!
 
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 91 14:31:01 PST
 
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From: Ann Westine <[email protected].edu>
 
  
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Hi,
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  Cc: westine, [email protected]
 +
  Subject: RE:    Can't Find MailCenter!
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  Reply-To: [email protected]
 +
  Date: Thu, 21 Feb 91 14:31:01 PST
 +
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
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We're getting this problem again.  Please fix.
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  Hi,
  
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Thank you.
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  We're getting this problem again.  Please fix.
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Ann
 
  
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  Thank you.
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  Ann
  
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Date:    Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500
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  ------- Forwarded Message
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From:    James M Galvin <[email protected]>
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To:      [email protected]
+
  Date:    Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500
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Subject: Failed Mail to IETF
+
  From:    James M Galvin <[email protected]>
 +
  To:      [email protected]
 +
  Subject: Failed Mail to IETF
 +
 
 +
      ------- Forwarded Message
  
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   ------- Forwarded Message
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      Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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      From:      [email protected] <[email protected]>
 +
      To:        [email protected]
 +
      Date:      15 Feb 91 21:28:28
 +
      Subject:   Can't Find MailCenter!
  
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  Message-ID: <[email protected]>
 
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  To:        [email protected]
 
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  Date:      15 Feb 91 21:28:28
 
−
  Subject:    Can't Find MailCenter!
 
  
  
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Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
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  GatorMail-Q                  Re: 1st PRELIMINARY AGENDA/
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      GatorMail-Q                  Re: 1st PRELIMINARY AGENDA/
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  Received: by qmgate; 15 Feb 91 21:28:25
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      Received: by qmgate; 15 Feb 91 21:28:25
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  Received: by mbunix.mitre.org (5.57/4.7)
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      Received: by mbunix.mitre.org (5.57/4.7)
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          id AA25128; Fri, 15 Feb 91 21:26:46 EST
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              id AA25128; Fri, 15 Feb 91 21:26:46 EST
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  Received: by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
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      Received: by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
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          id <AA17839>; Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:12 -0800
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              id <AA17839>; Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:12 -0800
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  Posted-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 11:45:16 -0500
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      Posted-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 11:45:16 -0500
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  Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:09 -0800
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      Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:09 -0800
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  Received: from TIS.COM by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
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      Received: from TIS.COM by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
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          id <AA17833>; Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:09 -0800
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              id <AA17833>; Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:09 -0800
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  Message-Id: <[email protected]>
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      Message-Id: <[email protected]>
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  Reply-To: James M Galvin <[email protected]>
+
      Reply-To: James M Galvin <[email protected]>
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  To: Megan Davies <[email protected]>
+
      To: Megan Davies <[email protected]>
−+
      Cc: [email protected]
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  Subject: Re: 1st PRELIMINARY AGENDA/ST. LOUIS
+
      Subject: Re: 1st PRELIMINARY AGENDA/ST. LOUIS
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  In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:44:13 EST.
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      In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:44:13 EST.
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                <[email protected]>
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                  <[email protected]>
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  Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 11:45:16 -0500
+
      Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 11:45:16 -0500
−
  From: James M Galvin <[email protected]>
+
      From: James M Galvin <[email protected]>
  
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                  <text deleted>
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                      <text deleted>
  
 
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F.17.  Message Too Large
 
F.17.  Message Too Large
  
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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 17:50:10 MDT
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  Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 17:50:10 MDT
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From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
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Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
−+
  
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  ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554
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      ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554
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[email protected]... Message is too large; 50000 bytes max 554
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  [email protected]... Message is too large; 50000 bytes max 554
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[email protected]... Service unavailable
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  [email protected]... Service unavailable
  
 
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Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.18.  Vacation Messages
 
F.18.  Vacation Messages
  
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a.  Case 1
+
  a.  Case 1
  
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 15:28:30 PDT
+
  Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 15:28:30 PDT
−
From: David Wasley <[email protected]>
+
  From: David Wasley <[email protected]>
−
Subject: I am away from e-mail
+
  Subject: I am away from e-mail
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This_Message_Brought_To_You_By: the vacation program
+
  This_Message_Brought_To_You_By: the vacation program
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Apparently-To: [email protected]
+
  Apparently-To: [email protected]
  
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I am away from e-mail until October 13. If your message requires
+
  I am away from e-mail until October 13. If your message requires
−
immediate attention, please contact one of the people below:
+
  immediate attention, please contact one of the people below:
  
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Network problems:    Austin Shelton <[email protected]>
+
  Network problems:    Austin Shelton <[email protected]>
  
−
Network information:  Bill Wells <[email protected]>
+
  Network information:  Bill Wells <[email protected]>
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  Network installation: Jim Allison <[email protected]> If
+
    Network installation: Jim Allison <[email protected]> If
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you're really desparate, leave me voice-mail at (415) 642-3478.
+
  you're really desparate, leave me voice-mail at (415) 642-3478.
−
Thanks for your patience! David Wasley, U C Berkeley
+
  Thanks for your patience! David Wasley, U C Berkeley
  
−
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b.  Case 2
+
  b.  Case 2
  
−
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 90 18:17:12 EST
+
  Date: Fri, 2 Nov 90 18:17:12 EST
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
+
  Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
−+
  
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  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
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      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
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sh: vacation: not found
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  sh: vacation: not found
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554 "|vacation farber"... unknown mailer error 1
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  554 "|vacation farber"... unknown mailer error 1
  
 
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F.19.  LocaL Configuration Errors
 
F.19.  LocaL Configuration Errors
  
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Date: Tue, 14 Aug 90 00:36:51 -0400
+
  Date: Tue, 14 Aug 90 00:36:51 -0400
−+
−
Subject: Returned mail: Local configuration error
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Local configuration error
−
To: <owner-ietf>
+
  To: <owner-ietf>
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−+
−
    Local configuration error
+
      Local configuration error
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.20.  Service Unavailable
 
F.20.  Service Unavailable
  
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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 90 13:00:39 EDT
+
  Date: Wed, 8 Aug 90 13:00:39 EDT
−+
−
Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
−
To: <owner-ietf>
+
  To: <owner-ietf>
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
Connected to eng.clemson.edu:
+
  Connected to eng.clemson.edu:
−
>>> HELO omni
+
  >>> HELO omni
−
<<< 553 omni host name configuration error
+
  <<< 553 omni host name configuration error
−
554 <[email protected]>... Service unavailable
+
  554 <[email protected]>... Service unavailable
  
−
  ----- Unsent message follows -----
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      ----- Unsent message follows -----
  
 
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F.21.  "Bad File Number"
 
F.21.  "Bad File Number"
  
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To: <owner-ietf>
+
  To: <owner-ietf>
−
From: The UTCS Post Office <[email protected]>
+
  From: The UTCS Post Office <[email protected]>
−
Subject: Delivery problems with your mail
+
  Subject: Delivery problems with your mail
  
−
Your message has been received by the University of Toronto Computing
+
  Your message has been received by the University of Toronto Computing
−
Services Postal System. A copy of it has been returned to you because
+
  Services Postal System. A copy of it has been returned to you because
−
of difficulties encountered while attempting to deliver your mail.
+
  of difficulties encountered while attempting to deliver your mail.
  
−
The following errors occurred while attempting delivery:
+
  The following errors occurred while attempting delivery:
  
−
<smtp madhaus.utcs.utoronto.ca [email protected] 1609>:
+
  <smtp madhaus.utcs.utoronto.ca [email protected] 1609>:
−
128.100.102.10: 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown:
+
    128.100.102.10: 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown:
−
Bad file number
+
    Bad file number
  
 
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F.22.  Cannot Append
 
F.22.  Cannot Append
  
−
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 90 14:51:57 PDT
+
  Date: Sat, 11 Aug 90 14:51:57 PDT
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
−+
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
mail: /var/spool/mail/cslater: cannot append
+
  mail: /var/spool/mail/cslater: cannot append
−
Mail saved in dead.letter
+
  Mail saved in dead.letter
−
554 cslater... Service unavailable
+
  554 cslater... Service unavailable
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.23.  Error Creating Network Link
 
F.23.  Error Creating Network Link
  
−
"erlang::chang... Host unknown"
+
  "erlang::chang... Host unknown"
  
−
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 90 12:34:20 -0800
+
  Date: Thu, 1 Nov 90 12:34:20 -0800
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Deferred
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Deferred
−
To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>
+
  To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
+
  mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
−
        during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
+
          during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
−
        Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
+
          Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
−
%MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
+
  %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
−
-SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
+
  -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
−
554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer from
+
  554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer from
−
    name server)
+
      name server)
−
mail11: connect: Connect failed, Node unreachable
+
  mail11: connect: Connect failed, Node unreachable
−
(temporary failure)
+
  (temporary failure)
  
−
  ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
+
      ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
−
<erlang::chiu> (bounced)
+
  <erlang::chiu> (bounced)
−
<netrix::gillin> (queued, will retry)
+
  <netrix::gillin> (queued, will retry)
−
<erlang::rama> (sent)
+
  <erlang::rama> (sent)
  
−
  ----- Unsent message follows -----
+
      ----- Unsent message follows -----
  
 
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F.24.  Not a Typewriter
 
F.24.  Not a Typewriter
  
−
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 90 19:36:47 -0700
+
  Date: Wed, 8 Aug 90 19:36:47 -0700
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
−
To: owner-ietf
+
  To: owner-ietf
 +
 
 +
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 +
  get_status: Not a typewriter
 +
  (mail11 operating system error)
  
−
   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
   451 <[email protected]>... Operating system error
−
get_status: Not a typewriter
+
  mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
−
(mail11 operating system error)
+
  (permanent failure)
  
−
451 <gray@netrix.enet.dec.com>... Operating system error
+
  554 <bansal@NETRIX.ENET.DEC.COM>... 550 Host unknown
−
mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
+
      (Authoritative answer from name server)
−
(permanent failure)
 
  
−
554 <[email protected]>... 550 Host unknown
 
−
  (Authoritative answer from name server)
 
  
  
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
  ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
+
      ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
−
<[email protected]> (bounced)
+
  <[email protected]> (bounced)
−
<[email protected]> (bounced)
+
  <[email protected]> (bounced)
  
−
  ----- Unsent message follows -----
+
      ----- Unsent message follows -----
  
 
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F.25.  "MTA Congestion"
 
F.25.  "MTA Congestion"
  
−
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 90 22:37:48 -0700
+
  Date: Tue, 7 Aug 90 22:37:48 -0700
−
To: ietf-request
+
  To: ietf-request
−
From: DFN Gateway <postmaster%[email protected]>
+
  From: DFN Gateway <postmaster%[email protected]>
−
Subject: DFN Mail Network -- failed mail
+
  Subject: DFN Mail Network -- failed mail
  
−
Mail Failure Diagnostics:
+
  Mail Failure Diagnostics:
  
−
Message Recipients:
+
  Message Recipients:
−
  [email protected]: MTA congestion
+
      [email protected]: MTA congestion
  
 
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F.26.  Local Forwarding Not Working
 
F.26.  Local Forwarding Not Working
  
−+
−
Subject: [email protected]... User unknown
+
  Subject: [email protected]... User unknown
−
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 90 13:20:53 PST
+
  Date: Thu, 01 Nov 90 13:20:53 PST
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
+
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
 +
 
 +
  Hi,
  
−
Hi,
+
  Would you mind checking into this error message before I delete this
 +
  person from our list.  I think it may be an internal forwarding
 +
  problem at MIT.  If not let me know if there is a new address or if I
 +
  should delete this one.
  
−
Would you mind checking into this error message before I delete this
+
  --Ann
−
person from our list.  I think it may be an internal forwarding
 
−
problem at MIT.  If not let me know if there is a new address or if I
 
−
should delete this one.
 
  
−
--Ann
+
      ------- Forwarded Message
  
−
   ------- Forwarded Message
+
      Date:   Thu, 01 Nov 90 12:34:01 -0800
 +
      From:    MAILER-[email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
 +
      To:      owner-[email protected]
 +
      Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
  
−
  Date:    Thu, 01 Nov 90 12:34:01 -0800
 
−
  From:    [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
 
−
  To:      [email protected]
 
−
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
 
  
  
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
        ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
  >>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
+
      >>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
−
  <<< 550 /u/dukach/.forward:
+
      <<< 550 /u/dukach/.forward:
−
      line 0: tabasco.lcs.mit.edu... User unknown
+
          line 0: tabasco.lcs.mit.edu... User unknown
−
  550 [email protected]... User unknown
+
      550 [email protected]... User unknown
  
−
      ----- Unsent message follows -----
+
        ----- Unsent message follows -----
  
−+
      To: [email protected]
−+
      Cc: [email protected]
−
  Subject: Re: [email protected]... User unknown
+
      Subject: Re: [email protected]... User unknown
−
  In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 01 Nov 90 13:20:53 -0800.
+
      In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 01 Nov 90 13:20:53 -0800.
−
                <[email protected]>
+
                  <[email protected]>
−
  Date: Thu, 01 Nov 90 17:16:44 -0500
+
      Date: Thu, 01 Nov 90 17:16:44 -0500
−+
      From: [email protected]
  
−
  Ann,
+
      Ann,
  
−
  Please don't delete Semyon. I'll get him to fix his
+
      Please don't delete Semyon. I'll get him to fix his
−
  configuration.
+
      configuration.
  
−
  Thanks,
+
      Thanks,
−
  Chuck
+
      Chuck
  
 
************************************************************************
 
************************************************************************
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F.27. No Such File or Directory
 
F.27. No Such File or Directory
  
−
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 17:57:08 -0800
+
  Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 17:57:08 -0800
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
+
  Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
−+
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
<<< RCPT To:<[email protected]>
+
  <<< RCPT To:<[email protected]>
−
<<< RCPT To:<[email protected]>
+
  <<< RCPT To:<[email protected]>
−
<<< DATA
+
  <<< DATA
−
mail: Creating /usr/spool/mail/phil -: No such file or directory
+
  mail: Creating /usr/spool/mail/phil -: No such file or directory
−
mail: Creating /usr/spool/mail/rick -: No such file or directory
+
  mail: Creating /usr/spool/mail/rick -: No such file or directory
−
Mail saved in dead.letter
+
  Mail saved in dead.letter
−+
−
mailer error
+
  mailer error
  
 
************************************************************************
 
************************************************************************
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.28.  User Account Terminated
 
F.28.  User Account Terminated
  
−
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 18:21:23 EDT
+
  Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 18:21:23 EDT
−+
−
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
−+
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
Connected to DEVVAX.TN.CORNELL.EDU:
+
  Connected to DEVVAX.TN.CORNELL.EDU:
−
>>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
+
  >>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
−
<<< 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
+
  <<< 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
−
550 [email protected]... User unknown
+
  550 [email protected]... User unknown
  
 
************************************************************************
 
************************************************************************
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F.29.  Machine Terminated
 
F.29.  Machine Terminated
  
−
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 19:33:26 EDT
+
  Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 19:33:26 EDT
−
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]>
+
  From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]>
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
−+
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
550 edn-unix.dca.mil.tcp... 550 Host unknown
+
  550 edn-unix.dca.mil.tcp... 550 Host unknown
−
550 [email protected]... Host unknown
+
  550 [email protected]... Host unknown
  
−
  ----- Unsent message follows -----
+
      ----- Unsent message follows -----
  
 
************************************************************************
 
************************************************************************
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F.30.  Couldn't Make Final Delivery.
 
F.30.  Couldn't Make Final Delivery.
  
−
a.  Case 1
+
  a.  Case 1
  
−
Date: 29 Aug 90 13:17:34 EST
+
  Date: 29 Aug 90 13:17:34 EST
−
From: "SMTP MAILER" <[email protected]>
+
  From: "SMTP MAILER" <[email protected]>
−
Subject: Mail Delivery Problem
+
  Subject: Mail Delivery Problem
−
To: "owner-ietf" <owner-ietf>
+
  To: "owner-ietf" <owner-ietf>
  
−
----Reason for mail failure follows----
+
    ----Reason for mail failure follows----
−
Sending mail to recipient(s) Nakassis :
+
  Sending mail to recipient(s) Nakassis :
−
  Couldn't make final delivery.
+
    Couldn't make final delivery.
  
−
%MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening USER2:[000000]NAKASSIS.DIR as output
+
  %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening USER2:[000000]NAKASSIS.DIR as output
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
  
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
−
b.  Case 2
 
  
−
Date: 8 Oct 90 20:24:32 EDT
+
  b. Case 2
−
From: "SMTP MAILER" <[email protected]>
 
−
Subject: Mail Delivery Problem
 
−
To: "owner-ietf" <[email protected]>
 
  
−
  ----Reason for mail failure follows----
+
  Date: 8 Oct 90 20:24:32 EDT
−
Sending mail to recipient(s) morrisd :
+
  From: "SMTP MAILER" <postmaster@imo-uvax.dca.mil>
−
  Couldn't make final delivery.
+
  Subject: Mail Delivery Problem
 +
  To: "owner-ietf" <owner-ietf@ISI.EDU>
  
−
%MRGATE-E-MRFROMVMS, Error transferring message to Message Router
+
    ----Reason for mail failure follows----
 +
  Sending mail to recipient(s) morrisd :
 +
    Couldn't make final delivery.
 +
 
 +
  %MRGATE-E-MRFROMVMS, Error transferring message to Message Router
  
 
************************************************************************
 
************************************************************************
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F.31.  Unknown ".ARPA" Hosts Without Updated Hostname
 
F.31.  Unknown ".ARPA" Hosts Without Updated Hostname
  
−
WHATHOST and DIG show nothing for DCA-EMS.ARPA.  There is no referral
+
  WHATHOST and DIG show nothing for DCA-EMS.ARPA.  There is no referral
−
to the new hostname.  "WHOIS" DCA-EMS came up with the new hostname.
+
  to the new hostname.  "WHOIS" DCA-EMS came up with the new hostname.
  
−
From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
−
Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Host Name Lookup Failure
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Host Name Lookup Failure
−
Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 15:59:34 -0800
+
  Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 15:59:34 -0800
−+
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−+
−
  [email protected]... Host unknown
+
    [email protected]... Host unknown
 +
 
 +
  westine 45% whathost dca-ems.arpa
 +
  Unknown Host: dca-ems.arpa, errno 0, h_errno 1 : Unknown host
  
−
westine 45% whathost dca-ems.arpa
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
−
Unknown Host: dca-ems.arpa, errno 0, h_errno 1 : Unknown host
 
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
 
  
  
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
westine 44% whois dca-ems
+
  westine 44% whois dca-ems
−
Defense Communications Agency (DCA) (DCA-EMS)
+
  Defense Communications Agency (DCA) (DCA-EMS)
−
  Office Automation Division
+
      Office Automation Division
−
  Code H610
+
      Code H610
−
  Washington, DC 20305-2000
+
      Washington, DC 20305-2000
  
−
  Hostname: DCA-EMS.DCA.MIL
+
      Hostname: DCA-EMS.DCA.MIL
−
  Address: 26.1.0.76
+
      Address: 26.1.0.76
−
  System: BBN-C/70 running UNIX
+
      System: BBN-C/70 running UNIX
  
−
  Host Administrator:
+
      Host Administrator:
−
      Wilkinson, Avis D.  (ADW)  [email protected]
+
        Wilkinson, Avis D.  (ADW)  [email protected]
−
      (703) 848-4867
+
        (703) 848-4867
  
−
  DCA-EMS.DCA.MIL users send E-Mail to [email protected]
+
      DCA-EMS.DCA.MIL users send E-Mail to [email protected]
  
−
  Record last updated on 10-Sep-90.
+
      Record last updated on 10-Sep-90.
  
 
************************************************************************
 
************************************************************************
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F.32.  Messages From an Internet Relay to Commercial Mail Systems
 
F.32.  Messages From an Internet Relay to Commercial Mail Systems
  
−
a.  Message Too Large
+
  a.  Message Too Large
 +
 
 +
  Date: 13 Feb 91 04:15:22 EST
 +
  From: Electronic Postmaster <[email protected]>
 +
  To: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
 +
  Subject: Undeliverable message
  
−
Date: 13 Feb 91 04:15:22 EST
 
−
From: Electronic Postmaster <[email protected]>
 
−
To: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
 
−
Subject: Undeliverable message
 
  
 +
  Re: ? EMDITB - Mail Delivery Failure. Message too large.
 +
        >EPX [74360,3202]
  
−
Re: ? EMDITB - Mail Delivery Failure. Message too large.
+
  Internet Monthly Report
−
    >EPX [74360,3202]
 
  
−
Internet Monthly Report
+
  Your message could not be delivered as addressed.
  
−
Your message could not be delivered as addressed.
+
  --- Returned message ---
  
−
--- Returned message ---
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
 
  
  
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
b.  Invalid Parameters
+
  b.  Invalid Parameters
  
−
Date: 13 Feb 91 05:34 UT
+
  Date: 13 Feb 91 05:34 UT
−
From: "X.400 Gateway" <[email protected]>
+
  From: "X.400 Gateway" <[email protected]>
−
Subject: MHS NonDelivery Report
+
  Subject: MHS NonDelivery Report
−+
  
−
Report from domain /PRMD=/ADMD=telemail/C=us/:
+
  Report from domain /PRMD=/ADMD=telemail/C=us/:
  
−
FAILED delivery to:
+
  FAILED delivery to:
  
 
   1 Recipient ORName:
 
   1 Recipient ORName:
 
/PN=tony.y.mazraani/DD.TS=SM55/O=SPRINTINTL/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/
 
/PN=tony.y.mazraani/DD.TS=SM55/O=SPRINTINTL/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/
−
Translates to:
+
    Translates to:
 
/PN=tony.y.mazraani/DD.TS=SM55/O=SPRINTINTL/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US
 
/PN=tony.y.mazraani/DD.TS=SM55/O=SPRINTINTL/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US
−
                                                      /@sprint.com
+
                                                        /@sprint.com
−
Reason: unable to transfer
+
    Reason: unable to transfer
−
Diagnostic: invalid parameters
+
    Diagnostic: invalid parameters
  
−
10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)10:46, 26 October 2014 (CET)~~
+
23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)23:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)~~
  
−
c.  Looping
+
  c.  Looping
  
−+
−+
−
Subject: Delivery Report (failure) for
+
  Subject: Delivery Report (failure) for
−
        [email protected]
+
            [email protected]
−
Message-Type: Delivery Report
+
  Message-Type: Delivery Report
−
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:34:41 +0000
+
  Date: Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:34:41 +0000
−
Content-Identifier: Why WAN multi...
+
  Content-Identifier: Why WAN multi...
  
−
This report relates to your message: Why WAN multi...
+
  This report relates to your message: Why WAN multi...
−
        of Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:56 +0000
+
          of Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:56 +0000
  
−
Your message was not delivered to
+
  Your message was not delivered to
−
        [email protected] for the following reason:
+
          [email protected] for the following reason:
−
        Message looping detected (please contact local administrator)
+
          Message looping detected (please contact local administrator)
  
−
*** The following information is directed towards the local
+
  *** The following information is directed towards the local
−
*** administrator and is not intended for the end user
+
  *** administrator and is not intended for the end user
−
*
+
  *
−
* DR generated by mta pilot.cs.wisc.edu
+
  * DR generated by mta pilot.cs.wisc.edu
−
*        in /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/
+
  *        in /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/
−
*        at Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:34:35 +0000
+
  *        at Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:34:35 +0000
−
*
+
  *
−
* Converted to [[RFC822|RFC 822]] at pilot.cs.wisc.edu
+
  * Converted to RFC 822 at pilot.cs.wisc.edu
−
*        at Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:34:41 +0000
+
  *        at Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:34:41 +0000
−
*
+
  *
  
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
−
* Delivery Report Contents:
 
−
*
 
−
* Subject-Submission-Identifier: [/PRMD=xnren/ADMD=
 
− 
−
* Content-Identifier: Why WAN multi...
 
−
* Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 
−
*          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:56 +0000 action Relayed
 
−
* Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 
−
*          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:47 +0000 action Relayed
 
−
* Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 
−
*          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:21:48 +0000 action Relayed
 
−
* Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 
−
*          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:05:55 +0000 action Relayed
 
−
* Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 
−
*          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:05:46 +0000 action Relayed
 
−
* Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 
−
*          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:57 +0000 action Relayed
 
−
* Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 
−
*          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:04:50 +0000 action Relayed
 
−
* Recipient-Info: [email protected],
 
−
*        /G=Allan/S=Cargille/OU=cs/O=uw-madison/PRMD=xnren/ADMD=
 
−
*        /C=us/;
 
−
*        FAILURE reason Unable-To-Transfer (1);
 
−
*        diagnostic Loop-Detected (3);
 
−
*        last trace () Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:04:50 +0000;
 
  
−
****** End of administration information
+
  * Delivery Report Contents:
 +
  *
 +
  * Subject-Submission-Identifier: [/PRMD=xnren/ADMD=
 +
  /C=us/;<[email protected]]
 +
  * Content-Identifier: Why WAN multi...
 +
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 +
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:56 +0000 action Relayed
 +
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 +
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:47 +0000 action Relayed
 +
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 +
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:21:48 +0000 action Relayed
 +
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 +
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:05:55 +0000 action Relayed
 +
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 +
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:05:46 +0000 action Relayed
 +
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 +
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:57 +0000 action Relayed
 +
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
 +
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:04:50 +0000 action Relayed
 +
  * Recipient-Info: [email protected],
 +
  *        /G=Allan/S=Cargille/OU=cs/O=uw-madison/PRMD=xnren/ADMD=
 +
  *        /C=us/;
 +
  *        FAILURE reason Unable-To-Transfer (1);
 +
  *        diagnostic Loop-Detected (3);
 +
  *        last trace () Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:04:50 +0000;
 +
 
 +
  ****** End of administration information
  
 
************************************************************************
 
************************************************************************
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.33.  Incomplete DNS Data on Host
 
F.33.  Incomplete DNS Data on Host
  
−
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 19:37:51 -0500
+
  Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 19:37:51 -0500
−
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]>
+
  From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]>
−+
−
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
+
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  
−
  ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
550 megasys.com (TCP)... 550 Host unknown
+
  550 megasys.com (TCP)... 550 Host unknown
−
550 <[email protected]>... Host unknown (Valid name but no data
+
  550 <[email protected]>... Host unknown (Valid name but no data
−
    [address])
+
      [address])
  
  
−
westine 27% dig megasys.com any
+
  westine 27% dig megasys.com any
  
−
; <<>> DiG <<>> megasys.com any
+
  ; <<>> DiG <<>> megasys.com any
−
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 6
+
  ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 6
−
;; flags: qr rd ra  Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 2, Addit: 3
+
  ;; flags: qr rd ra  Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 2, Addit: 3
  
−
;; QUESTIONS:
+
  ;; QUESTIONS:
−
;;      megasys.com, type = ANY, class = IN
+
  ;;      megasys.com, type = ANY, class = IN
  
−
;; ANSWERS:
+
  ;; ANSWERS:
−
megasys.com    IN      NS      UUNET.UU.NET    ; 172786
+
  megasys.com    IN      NS      UUNET.UU.NET    ; 172786
−
megasys.com    IN      NS      seismo.CSS.GOV  ; 172786
+
  megasys.com    IN      NS      seismo.CSS.GOV  ; 172786
  
−
;; AUTHORITY RECORDS:
+
  ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS:
−
MEGASYS.COM    IN      NS      UUNET.UU.NET    ; 172786
+
  MEGASYS.COM    IN      NS      UUNET.UU.NET    ; 172786
−
MEGASYS.COM    IN      NS      seismo.CSS.GOV  ; 172786
+
  MEGASYS.COM    IN      NS      seismo.CSS.GOV  ; 172786
  
−
;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS:
+
  ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS:
−
UUNET.UU.NET    IN      A      192.48.96.2    ; 447968
+
  UUNET.UU.NET    IN      A      192.48.96.2    ; 447968
−
UUNET.UU.NET    IN      A      137.39.1.2      ; 170920
+
  UUNET.UU.NET    IN      A      137.39.1.2      ; 170920
−
seismo.CSS.GOV  IN      A      192.12.141.25  ; 172786
+
  seismo.CSS.GOV  IN      A      192.12.141.25  ; 172786
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.34.  Sublist Problem
 
F.34.  Sublist Problem
  
−+
−
Posted-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 EST
+
  Posted-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 EST
−
Received: from gimme.math.ufl.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
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  Received: from gimme.math.ufl.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
−
        id <AA15131>; Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:28:24 -0800
+
          id <AA15131>; Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:28:24 -0800
−
Received:  by gimme.math.ufl.edu (4.1/4.03)
+
  Received:  by gimme.math.ufl.edu (4.1/4.03)
−
        id AA05948; Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 EST
+
          id AA05948; Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 EST
−
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 EST
+
  Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 EST
−+
−
Subject: here we go again: please release me, let me go...
+
  Subject: here we go again: please release me, let me go...
 +
 
  
 +
  Fifth time now(?) I try this every couple of months now,
 +
  figuring you may be hoplesslly backed up.
  
−
Fifth time now(?) I try this every couple of months now,
+
  Can you remove me from the ietf list? I may be there as
−
figuring you may be hoplesslly backed up.
+
  either:
  
−
Can you remove me from the ietf list?  I may be there as
+
          [email protected]
−
either:
+
  or
 +
          [email protected]
  
−
        [email protected]
+
  I would appreciate a confirmation message: I'm ready to use
−
or
+
  crontab for these mailings.
−
        [email protected].edu
 
  
−
I would appreciate a confirmation message: I'm ready to use
+
  Many Thanks,
−
crontab for these mailings.
 
  
−
Many Thanks,
+
  Randy Fischer
  
−
Randy Fischer
+
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+
 +
 +
  Reply-To: [email protected]
 +
  Subject: Re: here we go again: please release me, let me go...
 +
  In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 -0500.
 +
                <[email protected]>
 +
  Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 10:15:36 PST
 +
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−+
  Hi Randy,
− 
− 
−
Subject: Re: here we go again: please release me, let me go...
 
−
In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 -0500.
 
−
            <[email protected]>
 
−
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 10:15:36 PST
 
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
 
  
−
Hi Randy,
+
  I remember your request, and I also remember telling you that you are
 +
  not on our list (at least individually).  There is an exploder
 +
  "[email protected]" maintained at UFL.EDU.  You need to check with
 +
  the postmaster to see if you are on their list.  If this is not the
 +
  case, here are the only other addresses I have from UFL.EDU
  
−
I remember your request, and I also remember telling you that you are
 
−
not on our list (at least individually).  There is an exploder
 
−
"[email protected]" maintained at UFL.EDU.  You need to check with
 
−
the postmaster to see if you are on their list.  If this is not the
 
−
case, here are the only other addresses I have from UFL.EDU
 
  
  
 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−+
−+
−+
−+
−+
  
−
There is another possibility, perhaps you have a pointer to a mailbox
+
  There is another possibility, perhaps you have a pointer to a mailbox
−
somewhere else?
+
  somewhere else?
  
−
Regards,
+
  Regards,
−
Ann
+
  Ann
  
−
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+
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−
From: Operator <[email protected]>
+
  From: Operator <[email protected]>
−+
−
Subject: re: done at last: please release me, let me go...
+
  Subject: re: done at last: please release me, let me go...
  
−
Many, many thanks for the reply: I did not, somehow, see your
+
  Many, many thanks for the reply: I did not, somehow, see your
−
previous reply -- perhaps you forwarded it to someone at UFL.EDU
+
  previous reply -- perhaps you forwarded it to someone at UFL.EDU
−
instead of MATH.UFL.EDU?  Or I missed it in the flow of mail I am
+
  instead of MATH.UFL.EDU?  Or I missed it in the flow of mail I am
−
trying to abate.
+
  trying to abate.
−
No matter.
+
  No matter.
  
−
At any rate "[email protected]" is indeed a local exploder, aliased
+
  At any rate "[email protected]" is indeed a local exploder, aliased
−
at the moment to myself and one of my assistants.  It is local to the
+
  at the moment to myself and one of my assistants.  It is local to the
−
"math.ufl.edu" subdomain, and not to "ufl.edu" as your records
+
  "math.ufl.edu" subdomain, and not to "ufl.edu" as your records
−
indicate.  I am the postmaster of the "math.ufl.edu", and you should
+
  indicate.  I am the postmaster of the "math.ufl.edu", and you should
−
be able to verify "math.ufl.edu" has an MX record pointing to
+
  be able to verify "math.ufl.edu" has an MX record pointing to
−
"mathlab.math.ufl.edu".  I am therefore mailing to you as root from
+
  "mathlab.math.ufl.edu".  I am therefore mailing to you as root from
−
that machine.
+
  that machine.
  
−
Please remove "[email protected]" from your list.  I have quite
+
  Please remove "[email protected]" from your list.  I have quite
−
enjoyed the discussions,  but the volume been overwhelming.
+
  enjoyed the discussions,  but the volume been overwhelming.
  
−
Thanks very much for your prompt reply,
+
  Thanks very much for your prompt reply,
−
Appreciatively,
+
  Appreciatively,
  
−+
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.35.  File Protection Problem
 
F.35.  File Protection Problem
  
−
From: "Raj Jain, LKG1-2/A19, DTN: 226-7642, 508-486-7642
+
  From: "Raj Jain, LKG1-2/A19, DTN: 226-7642, 508-486-7642
−
      09-Feb-1991 0904"
+
          09-Feb-1991 0904"
−+
−+
−
Subject: Request to add to IETF
+
  Subject: Request to add to IETF
  
−
I seem to have suddenly dropped off the IETF distribution list. I
+
  I seem to have suddenly dropped off the IETF distribution list. I
−
have not received any IETF mail since 9-Jan-91. Could you please
+
  have not received any IETF mail since 9-Jan-91. Could you please
−
ensure that I am still in the distribution list.
+
  ensure that I am still in the distribution list.
  
−
-Raj Jain
+
  -Raj Jain
  
−
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+
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−
To: "Raj Jain, LKG1-2/A19, DTN: 226-7642,
+
  To: "Raj Jain, LKG1-2/A19, DTN: 226-7642,
−
    508-486-7642 09-Feb-1991 0904" <[email protected]>
+
      508-486-7642 09-Feb-1991 0904" <[email protected]>
−
cc: [email protected], ietf-request
+
  cc: [email protected], ietf-request
−+
  Reply-To: [email protected]
−
Subject: Re: Request to add to IETF
+
  Subject: Re: Request to add to IETF
−
In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 09 Feb 91 06:07:15 -0800.
+
  In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 09 Feb 91 06:07:15 -0800.
−
            <[email protected]>
+
                <[email protected]>
−
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 11:17:41 PST
+
  Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 11:17:41 PST
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
+
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
Hi Raj,
+
  Hi Raj,
  
−
I will readd you to the IETF list.  However, if I receive more error
+
  I will readd you to the IETF list.  However, if I receive more error
−
messages like this, then I must take your name off the list again.
+
  messages like this, then I must take your name off the list again.
−
I've sent messages to the postmaster at DEC but the problem isn't
+
  I've sent messages to the postmaster at DEC but the problem isn't
−
corrected.  Your address isn't the only one, there's CALLON and a few
+
  corrected.  Your address isn't the only one, there's CALLON and a few
−
others.
+
  others.
  
  
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Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
−
Maybe you can check into this.  Here's the header from one of the
 
−
many error messages I received.
 
  
−
Regards, --Ann
+
  Maybe you can check into this.  Here's the header from one of the
 +
  many error messages I received.
  
−
   Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 17:04:41 -0800
+
   Regards, --Ann
−
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
+
 
−
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
+
      Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 17:04:41 -0800
−+
      From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
 +
      Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
 +
      To: [email protected]
  
  
−
      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
+
        ----- Transcript of session follows -----
−
  mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
+
      mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
−
          during mail delivery to <ERLANG::JAIN>.
+
              during mail delivery to <ERLANG::JAIN>.
−
          Remote error code is 0x7e81fa, message is:
+
              Remote error code is 0x7e81fa, message is:
−
  %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output
+
      %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output
−
  -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation
+
      -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation
−
          (can't decypher error code)
+
              (can't decypher error code)
−
  550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
+
      550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
  
−
      ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
+
        ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
−
  <[email protected]> (bounced)
+
      <[email protected]> (bounced)
  
−
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−
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 17:54:20 EST
+
  Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 17:54:20 EST
−
From: "Raj Jain, LKG1-2/A19, DTN: 226-7642, 508-486-7642
+
  From: "Raj Jain, LKG1-2/A19, DTN: 226-7642, 508-486-7642
−
      12-Feb-1991 1751"
+
          12-Feb-1991 1751"
−+
−+
−
Subject: Re: Request to add to IETF
+
  Subject: Re: Request to add to IETF
  
−
The error message that you sent is unfortunately my mistake and has
+
  The error message that you sent is unfortunately my mistake and has
−
nothing to do with DECWRL. One day I reset protection on all my files
+
  nothing to do with DECWRL. One day I reset protection on all my files
−
and directories and didn't realize that even the system did not have
+
  and directories and didn't realize that even the system did not have
−
the privilege to write mail messages on my disk. I discovered it only
+
  the privilege to write mail messages on my disk. I discovered it only
−
after several people sent phone messages to me. Thanks for adding my
+
  after several people sent phone messages to me. Thanks for adding my
−
name again. I will try to be careful.  -Raj
+
  name again. I will try to be careful.  -Raj
  
 
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
 +
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
 
F.36.  User Unknown
 
F.36.  User Unknown
  
−
a.  Request to be Readded to IETF List
+
  a.  Request to be Readded to IETF List
 +
 
 +
  Date: Mon, 11 Feb 91 10:03:54 PST
 +
  From: "Paul Ciarfella DTN 227-3548 Outside 508 952-3548
 +
        11-Feb-1991 1301"
 +
 +
 +
  Subject: add me to the ietf list (again)
  
−
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 91 10:03:54 PST
+
  Hi -
−
From: "Paul Ciarfella DTN 227-3548 Outside 508 952-3548
 
−
      11-Feb-1991 1301"
 
− 
− 
−
Subject: add me to the ietf list (again)
 
  
−
Hi -
+
  Could I be added to the ietf distribution list (again). I must have
 +
  been dropped from the list somehow.  This happened to me before the
 +
  last ietf - I had to get my name reregistered then, too.
  
−
Could I be added to the ietf distribution list (again). I must have
+
  Thanks,
−
been dropped from the list somehow.  This happened to me before the
 
−
last ietf - I had to get my name reregistered then, too.
 
  
−
Thanks,
+
  Paul Ciarfella [email protected]
  
−
Paul Ciarfella [email protected]
+
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+
  b.  Message to User Regarding Readd and Previous Problems
  
−
b. Message to User Regarding Readd and Previous Problems
+
  To: "Paul Ciarfella DTN 227-3548 Outside 508 952-3548  11-Feb-1991
 +
      1301" <[email protected]>
 +
  Cc: ietf-request@ISI.EDU
 +
  Reply-To: [email protected]
 +
  Subject: Re: add me to the ietf list (again)
 +
  In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 11 Feb 91 10:03:54 -0800.
 +
                <[email protected]>
 +
  Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 11:05:46 PST
 +
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  
−
To: "Paul Ciarfella DTN 227-3548 Outside 508 952-3548  11-Feb-1991
+
  Hi Paul,
−
    1301" <[email protected]>
 
− 
− 
−
Subject: Re: add me to the ietf list (again)
 
−
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 11 Feb 91 10:03:54 -0800.
 
−
            <[email protected]>
 
−
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 11:05:46 PST
 
−
From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
 
  
−
Hi Paul,
+
  Every couple of months I have lots of error messags from several
 +
  individual mailboxes on ENET.DEC.COM.  Here is a typical one.  Since
 +
  I cannot reach you I am forced to delete your mailbox.
  
−
Every couple of months I have lots of error messags from several
+
  I have sent several messages to the postmaster at DEC but nothing has
−
individual mailboxes on ENET.DEC.COM.  Here is a typical one.  Since
+
  been corrected.  Perhaps you can look into this.
−
I cannot reach you I am forced to delete your mailbox.
 
  
−
I have sent several messages to the postmaster at DEC but nothing has
+
  --Ann
−
been corrected.  Perhaps you can look into this.
 
  
−
--Ann
 
  
  
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 +
Westine & Postel                                             
  
 +
RFC 1211              Problems with Mailing Lists            March 1991
  
  
−
  Return-Path: [email protected]
+
      Return-Path: [email protected]
−
  Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:53:19 PST
+
      Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:53:19 PST
 +
      Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4)
 +
              id <AA11360>; Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:53:19 PST
 +
      Posted-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:42:03 -0800
 +
      Received: from decpa.pa.dec.com by venera.isi.edu
 +
              (5.61/5.61+local)
 +
              id <AA08309>; Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:53:17 -0800
 +
      Received: by decpa.pa.dec.com; id AA12106; Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:42:03
 +
      Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:42:03 -0800
 +
      From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
 +
      Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
 +
      Message-Id: <[email protected]>
 +
      To: [email protected]
 +
 
 +
        ----- Transcript of session follows -----
 +
      mail11: input timeout reading remote object
 +
      get_status: Connection timed out
 +
      (temporary failure)
 +
 
 +
      mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "levers",
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  Ann Westine
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Network Working Group A. Westine Request for Comments: 1211 J. Postel 

                                                                    ISI
                                                             March 1991



         Problems with the Maintenance of Large Mailing Lists

Status of this Memo 

  This RFC discusses problems with maintaining large mailing lists,
  especially the processing of error reports.  This memo provides
  information for the Internet community.  It does not specify an
  Internet standard.  Distribution of this memo is unlimited.

Table of Contents 

  1.   Introduction..............................................   1
  2.   Discussion................................................   1
  3.   Typical Problems..........................................   3
  3.1. Misdirected Error Reports.................................   3
  3.2. Sublists..................................................   3
  3.3. Misdirected Requests......................................   5
  3.4. Misdirected Messages......................................   5
  4.   Summary...................................................   5
  APPENDIX A - I used to be on the List..........................   6
  APPENDIX B - Changing Addresses and Sublists...................   8
  APPENDIX C - Sublists and Other Protocol Worlds................   9
  APPENDIX D - Errors from Hidden Hosts..........................  10
  APPENDIX E - No Postmaster.....................................  12
  APPENDIX F - Examples of Error Messages........................  14
  5.   Security Considerations...................................  53
  6.   Authors' Addresses........................................  54

1. Introduction 

  Maintaining large mailing lists, especially the processing of error
  reports, poses many problems.  Most of the examples come from the
  experience of managing the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)
  mailing list.  Many examples are presented in this memo.  Most of the
  specific problems shown have already been corrected.

2. Discussion 

  At USC - Information Sciences Institute (ISI) we maintain mailing
  lists for the Internet Research Groups, the IETF, and other Internet
  groups; about 25 lists altogether.  We receive about 400 messages a
  month requesting additions or deletions to these lists.  There are


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  about 20 messages a day requesting changes to the lists.

  We also receive about 300 error messages a month due to mail delivery
  problems.  Many of these are duplicates, but the net result is that
  about 10 cases per day need to be investigated.

  Many of the error reports are for "soft errors", primarily delayed
  delivery notices, such as "not delivered for 2 days, will try for 3
  more days".  These just waste the list maintainer's time and are
  otherwise ignored.  This is especially wasteful when such messages
  are repeated every day.  However, if the same host is a cause of such
  messages for many days in a row, the list maintainer may investigate.

  Please note that ignoring the soft errors is not always easy, since
  error messages often contain error reports on several mailboxes,
  requiring the error message to be read carefully to pick out the hard
  errors.

  The error reports that indicate hard errors, such as "no such user"
  require the list maintainer to take action.  In many cases the
  appropriate action is to simply delete the user mailbox from the
  list.  However, if the mailbox in question is someone known to be
  active as a working group chair, or such, further investigation is
  necessary.  The more general case of "no such host" may be a
  temporary condition, but if it continues for several days it must be
  investigated.

  Since the error conditions do not have standardized names (for
  example, "no such user" vs. "user unknown") it is sometimes difficult
  to understand whether a soft or hard error is being reported, and
  what one should do about it.  For example, what does "Can't Find Mail
  Center!" mean, or what should one do about "mailll:%MAIL-E-OPENOUT,
  error opening SYS$USER2:[STGEORGE.LONGMAIL]MAIL$00040093BE236612.MAI;
  as outputI)"?

  The first step in investigating a problem with a user mailbox is to
  see if it is on the list.  If so, the next step is to see if there
  really is a problem with it.  This is done by using the SMTP VRFY and
  EXPN features, Finger, or Whois.  This often develops information
  suggesting that the user has recently changed his address.  This has
  to be confirmed through an exchange of messages (with the postmaster)
  and then the mailing list must be updated.

  If the user is not on the list, then it is likely the mail is sent
  via an exploder or sublist.  So the investigation focuses on finding
  which exploder may be involved, usually this is found by looking at
  the path (from the received lines) of the error report.  The exploder
  that is the source of the error can sometimes be checked using the


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  SMTP EXPN feature.  Then the postmaster is notified.

  If the error report is about a host being unknown, the programs
  "whathost", "dig", "ping", and "traceroute" may be used to find the
  problem.  However, getting the problem fixed may require
  communication with host and domain administrators.

  What to do if problems can't be resolved: Delete the offending entry
  from the list that may eventually cause the following response: "I
  used to be on the ietf list, how come I am not getting the messages
  any more?" (See Appendix A.)

3. Typical Problems 

  In this section we discuss typical and frequent problems that occur
  with large mailing lists.

3.1 Misdirected Error Reports 

  The most frequent problem is that error reports are sent to the
  author of the message rather than the list owner.  One way this can
  happen is when there is trouble with the author's host not connecting
  to another host along the route before it reaches ISI where the
  mailing list is.

  At ISI the SMTP "from" information is added when the message is
  distributed to the list so that hosts following the SMTP protocol
  will send their error reports to the list owner.  However, not all
  hosts do this properly.

  Another problem is that some machines do not pay attention to the
  SMTP information about where to send error reports.

3.2 Sublists 

  What is a sublist?  It is a mailbox with an alias-name that expands
  to a mailing-list or group of recipients.  There are many sublists on
  our mailing lists.

  When a user requests that a mailbox be added to a list that looks
  like an exploder, the following message is sent:

     We ask that all list maintainters of exploder mailboxes (an
     alias-name that expands to a mailing-list or group of recipients)
     set up some sort of ownership at their site, for their list.  What
     this means is, is any mailbox on your list is invalid, the error
     message will go to you (the list owner), and you can delete that
     mailbox from your list.


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     An example of an entry in your aliases file would be:

        owner-ietf-local:  [email protected],

           (or your list maintainer/postmaster)

  It appears that few people understand the concept of list ownership,
  or they do not set it up correctly.  There is ample evidence of
  problems in this area.

  When investigating "user unknown" messages it is often the case that
  the user is not individually listed on our list.  The next step is to
  check received lines and hunt for an exploder list with a host
  similar to the one that the error came from or points to.  At that
  point we attempt to use SMTP EXPN or VRFY to check that the user is
  on a sublist.  Since many hosts do not implement EXPN or VRFY, the
  result of our check is inconclusive.  We then contact the list
  maintainer and ask him to delete the invalid mailbox if it is on his
  sublist.

  Another problem occurs when someone on a sublist wants to change the
  name of his mailbox.  We look through the main list to make the
  correction and if that mailbox is not on the list we check the
  received lines and look for clues to determine which host this user
  may be on.  More than likely it is a sublist.  (See Appendix B.)

  When the mailbox is in another protocol world (like UUCP or BITNET)
  there are often problems with the handling and direction of error
  reports. (See Appendix C.)

  Sometimes we are unable to find the addresses reported in the error
  message on the mailing list in question.  In such a case we check the
  mailing list for a host name also named in the received lines of a
  message in error.  If we find a match then we look for an exploder on
  that host and expand the sublist there to see if the mailbox in
  question is on that sublist.  (See Appendix D.)

  At the time a sublist is entered into our list we record the name of
  the requestor and consider him the sublist owner.  As people change
  roles or companies this contact sometimes fails, in that case we fall
  back to contacting the postmaster.  However, not every site has a
  "postmaster" mailbox. (See Appendix E.)

  Most users send their requests and changes to the IETF-Request
  mailbox, when they are on, in fact, a sublist, usually at their own
  company.  This creates a problem for us trying to determine which
  exploder they're on.



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  In this case, the request message is forwarded to the sublist owner
  so he can make changes to his list.  However, sometimes hosts may be
  somewhat similar in name (from the same organization, but in a
  different department, in a different building, off campus, etc.) and
  it's hard to know if this person should really be on that particular
  sublist, or listed individually.  Occasionally, we examine the main
  file to see if there are individual addresses that could be
  incorporated in a sublist.

3.3 Misdirected Requests 

  Some users don't know that mailing lists usually have a "request"
  mailbox, so they mistakenly send their requests to the main list.
  When this happens, several people will resend the request to the list
  maintainer and then want to know if the request was completed.

3.4 Misdirected Messages 

  There are also messages that go to the request mailbox when they are
  intended for the main list.  These messages get forwarded to the main
  list and a message is sent to the user notifying him of the
  correction and the proper way to address his message.

4. Summary 

  Running a mailing list should be easy, and with small lists it is.
  The number of changes and errors are small and infrequent.  But when
  lists get large and traffic gets heavy, the number of changes and
  errors grow to many a day.  The level of effort to manage a mailing
  list of substantial size and use becomes significant.

  An additional problem is the creativity shown by mail program
  developers in inventing numerous different error reports.  We present
  a large sample of such messages in Appendix F.  We hope that these
  examples will be of help to other mailing list maintainers.

  Our experience with maintaining large lists suggests the following:

  Users:  Please be considerate and try to work problems out locally.

  Sublist owners:  Please do everything you can to get the error
  messages related to your sublist to go to you.  Please try to get
  users on your system to talk to you about additions and deletions.





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                               APPENDIX A

A.1. Inquiry Message From User Regarding His Mailbox 

  Date: Tue, 6 Nov 90 03:02:09 PST
  From: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2, DTN: 830 4682"
        <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: dist list

  Please will you check that I have not been deleted from this
  distribution list.

  My email address is : [email protected]

  Thanks

  Stewart

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A.2. Message To User - His Mailbox Was Re-added 

  To: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2,
      DTN: 830 4682" <[email protected]>
  cc: [email protected]
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: dist list
  In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 06 Nov 90 03:02:09 -0800.
               <[email protected]>
  Date: Tue, 06 Nov 90 13:54:23 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi Stewart,

  > Please will you check that I have not been deleted from this
  > distribution. list.
  >
  > My email address is:  [email protected]

          I readded you to the list.

  --Ann

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A.3. User Name Readded and It Bounced 

  Date:    Tue, 06 Nov 90 17:25:15 -0800
  From:    [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  To:      [email protected]
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown

      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "janus",
           during mail delivery to <JANUS::BRYANT>.
           Remote error code is 0x7e81d2, message is:
  %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport NM
           (can't decypher error code)
  550 <[email protected]>... User unknown

     ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
  <[email protected]> (bounced)

     ----- Unsent message follows -----
  Received: by decpa.pa.dec.com; id AA21747; Tue, 6 Nov 90 13:54:38
  Received: from LOCALHOST by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
           id <AA24660>; Tue, 6 Nov 90 13:54:25 -0800
  To: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2,
       DTN: 830 4682" <[email protected]>
  Cc: [email protected]
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: dist list
  In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 06 Nov 90 03:02:09 -0800.
        <[email protected]>
  Date: Tue, 06 Nov 90 13:54:23 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi Stewart,

  > Please will you check that I have not been deleted from this
  > distribution list.
  >
  > My email address is
  >
  > [email protected]

  I readded you to the list.

  --Ann



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                              APPENDIX B

In this example, the old mailbox "[email protected]" was to be deleted and the new mailbox "[email protected]" was to be added. However, when checking the mailing list the old address was not found. Further checking for anything that resembled the hostname still did not turn up anything. Then checking the full header information of the sender's message showed that the message came through UUNET.UU.NET. There is a sublist on UUNET called "[email protected]". By using the SMTP feature EXPN on the sublist the mailbox was found in the form "ssbell!kent". Finally, a message was sent to the postmaster at UUNET and asked him to delete the mailbox.

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B.1. Error Report 

  Date:    Mon, 22 Oct 90 14:05:38 -0500
  From:    [email protected] (Kent Landfield)
  To:      [email protected]
  Subject: E-mail address change

  Hello,

  I am currently receiving ietf related email at
  [email protected].  I am moving to sparky.IMD.Sterling.COM
  as the ssbell system is going away.  Could you please change my
  address to [email protected] so that I can stay on the
  list ? Thanks.

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B.2. Message Sent to Postmaster 

  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Address -  <ssbell!kent>
  Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 13:44:24 PDT
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi,

  Please delete the mailbox ssbell!kent from the "post-ietf" list.  I
  will add his new address "[email protected]" directly to
  the ietf list.  Thanks. Ann



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                             APPENDIX C

Another problem comes up when a sublist happens to be located in another protocol world such as BITNET or UUCP and that mail is forwarded through a mail relay. Experience shows that proper implementation of the list ownership concept is even less likely.

SIGNET is a host in the UUCP world receiving mail forwarded through the mail relay THINK.COM.

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C.1. Error Report 

  To: [email protected]
  Date:    Fri, 05 Oct 90 23:45:26 -0400
  From:    [email protected]
  Subject: Warning From uucp

  We have been unable to contact machine 'signet' since you
  queued your job.

          mail signet!ietf-interest    (Date 10/04)

  Attempts will continue for a few more days.

          Sincerely,
          early-bird!uucp

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C.2. Message Sent to Postmaster 

  To: [email protected]
  Subject: unable to contact machine 'signet'
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Date: Mon, 08 Oct 90 09:42:54 PDT
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi,

  We have a mailbox on the ietf list that gets relayed through your
  host THINK.COM. We will have to delete this mailbox if a connection
  cannot be corrected.   Thanks, Ann



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                              APPENDIX D

Sometimes, the addresses reported in error can't be found on the IETF list. In this example, "GATORCORP" is not on the IETF list. In checking the received lines there is a host called VITALINK.COM. We have an exploder on our list at VITALINK called "ietf- [email protected]". The program DIG shows that VITALINK.COM MXs to UUNET.UU.NET. Since VITALINK is not directly on the Internet the EXPN and VRFY features of SMTP don't apply, the sublist on VITALINK can't be checked. However, there are enough clues to make an educated guess that the mailboxes on the host GATORCORP are on the exploder sublist at VITALINK. In this situation a message was sent to the Postmaster of VITALINK.COM to ask him to delete the invalid addresses from his sublist.

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D.1. Error Report 

  Return-Path: [email protected]
  Received-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 14:34:51 PST
  Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4)
          id <AA16502>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 14:34:51 PST
  Posted-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 13:54:08 -0800
  Received: from UUNET.UU.NET by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
          id <AA27149>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 14:34:34 -0800
  Received: from vitam6.UUCP by uunet.uu.net (5.61/1.14) with UUCP
          id AA12926; Wed, 7 Nov 90 17:34:28 -0500
  Received: by vitam6.ENG.Vitalink.COM (5.61/1.35)
          id AC03235; Wed, 7 Nov 90 13:54:08 -0800
  Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 13:54:08 -0800
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  To: [email protected]
  To: [email protected]

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----

  550 andrew_greenfield.safari@gatorcorp,
      [email protected] unknown

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D.2. Message Sent to Postmaster 

  To: [email protected]
  Cc: [email protected]
  Subject: andrew_greenfield.safari@gatorcorp,
           melinda_le_baron.safari@gatorcorp... Host unknown
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 15:30:24 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi,

  We have an exploder mailbox on the IETF list called
  "[email protected]".  I'm not sure, but I think the
  following addresses may be on that list.  Please look into this
  "host unknown" problem.  If these addresses need to be deleted,
  please do so.

  Thanks,
  Ann















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                              APPENDIX E

Every host on the Internet that processes mail is required to have a "postmaster" mailbox to receive error reports and trouble inquiries. In this case, the "postmaster" mailbox was not recognized.

E.1. Message Sent to IETF-Request 

  To:       ([email protected])
  From:     Caralyn Brown (CBROWN@ENR)
  Date:     10 Jan 91  8:24 AM
  Subject:  please remove me from this list

  Please remove me from this list.  I'm changing companies and I'd like
  to keep the mailbox from getting out of hand.  If it's not too much
  trouble, could you just send me a confirmation that I was deleted?
  Thanks.

  caralyn

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E.2. Message Sent to Postmaster 

  To: [email protected]
  Cc: [email protected], [email protected]
  Subject: Please delete from "[email protected]" - Carolyn Brown
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Date: Thu, 10 Jan 91 09:50:15 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi,

  Please delete Carolyn from your sublist.   We do not have her address
  listed individually on the main IETF list.

  Thanks, Ann

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E.3. Error Report 

  From: [email protected] (List Service version
        1.0.x463)
  Subject: returned mail
  Message-Type: Return
  To: <[email protected]>

  Your mail addressed to "postmaster" could not be processed: There is
  no mailing list named "postmaster" at this site.

  For help, send to [email protected]; to receive an index of
  available lists, send to [email protected]; to reach a List
  Administrator, send to [email protected].


















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               APPENDIX F - Examples of Error Messages

F.1. Delayed Delivery Notices 

  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Connection timed out during user
           open with uiucdcsm-uiuc-dcs-net.cs.uiuc.edu
  Posted-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 91 12:46:51 -0800
  Received: by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
          id <AA08435>; Fri, 4 Jan 91 12:46:51 -0800
  To: [email protected]

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  >>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
  <<< 550 (USER) Unknown user name in "[email protected]"
  550 [email protected]... User unknown
  451 [email protected]... reply: read error
  [email protected]... reply: read error
  421 dockmaster.ncsc.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
      user open with DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL
  421 va.nkw.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
      user open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
  421 nsl.dec.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with jove.pa.dec.com
  451 [email protected]... timeout waiting for input
      [email protected]... timeout waiting for input
  451 [email protected]... reply: read error
      [email protected]... reply: read error
  421 sccgate.scc.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
      user open with sccgate.scc.com
  421 a.isi.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection refused by a.ISI.EDU
  421 cs.ucl.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
  421 oasys.dt.navy.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
      user open with oasys.dt.navy.mil
  421 peocu1.navy.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with PEOCU1.NAVY.MIL
  421 enh.nist.gov.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with enh.nist.gov
  421 mickey.imsd.contel.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection refused by
      MICKEY.IMSD.CONTEL.COM
  421 uv4.eglin.af.mil.tcp..Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with uv6.eglin.af.mil
  421 ima.isc.com.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with ima.ima.isc.com
  421 huachuca-emh8.army.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection refused by
      HUACHUCA-EMH8.ARMY.MIL
  421 vaxa.nerc-keyworth.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out


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      during user open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
  421 gdr.bath.ac.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
  421 ccint1.rsre.mod.uk.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
      user open with ccint1.rsre.mod.uk
  550 [email protected]... Host unknown
  421 hqafsc-vax.af.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
      user open with HQAFSC-VAX.AF.MIL
  421 nic.nordu.net.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with nic.nordu.net
  421 aedc-vax.af.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with AEDC-VAX.AF.MIL
  421 letterkenn-emh1.army.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out
      during user open with LETTERKENN-EMH1.ARMY.MIL
  421 dumle.kommhuset.se.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during
      user open with sunic.sunet.se
  421 cis.uab.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with cisa.CIS.UAB.EDU
  421 server.af.mil.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with server.af.mil
  421 issun3.stc.nl.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with issun3.stc.nl
  421 cs.uiuc.edu.tcp... Deferred: Connection timed out during user
      open with uiucdcsm-uiuc-dcs-net.cs.uiuc.edu

             -------------

F.2. Failed Mail 

  Date:     Tue, 30 Oct 90 5:00:40 EST
  From: BBN Mail System (MMDF) <[email protected]>
  Sender: [email protected]
  Subject:  Failed mail  (msg.aa09055)
  To: [email protected]

  After 12 days (276 hours), your message could not be fully delivered.

  It failed to be received by the following address(es):

      [email protected] (host: cc5.bbn.com) (queue: smtp)

  Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving
  machine.  Less often, they are caused by the communication system.



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F.3. Waiting Mail 

  To: RELAY Mail System (MMDF) <[email protected]>
  Cc: owner-ietf <@RELAY.CS.NET:[email protected]>
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: Waiting mail (msg.aa00720)
  In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 02 Oct 90 07:45:14 -0400.
               <[email protected]>
  Date: Mon, 08 Oct 90 10:11:03 PDT
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  > After 5 days (105 hours), your message has not yet been
  > fully delivered.  Attempts to deliver the message will continue
  > for 2 more days.  No further action is required by you.
  >
  > Delivery attempts are still pending for the following address(es):
  >
  >       @zix.gmd.dbp.de:[email protected]
  >       (host: zix.gmd.dbp.de)(queue: dfn)
  >
  > Problems usually are due to service interruptions at the receiving
  > machine.  Less often, they are caused by the communication system.

F.4. What Started Out as a Sublist with No Active Users 

  a.  Error Report

  Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 22:13:12 +0200
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
  To: owner-ietf

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  While talking to mailhost.Gipsi.FR:
  >>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
  <<< 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
  550 <[email protected]>... User unknown

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  b.  Message Sent to Postmaster

  TO:  [email protected]
  Subject: 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Date: Tue, 11 Sep 90 09:56:20 PDT
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi,

  I have received numerous error messages like this for over a week.
  There appears to be a mailbox on your exploder that is invalid,
  please delete it.

  Thanks, --Ann

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  c.  Reply From Postmaster

  From: [email protected] (Edmonde Duteurtre)
  To: westine
  In-Reply-To: Ann Westine's message of Tue,
               11 Sep 90 09:56:20 PDT
  <[email protected]>
  Subject: 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown

  Hello

  On our site, the [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] and the
  [email protected] mailed only one person: [email protected] but
  this person has leaved our company, and you should cancel this
  addresses.

  I think we get enough informations through the news.  I think you
  should cancel us ([email protected]) on the mailing list ietf.







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F.5. Sublists without local ownership 

  In this error message there was not much to go on except the
  words IETF and the name of the host from where the mailer-daemon
  sent the error.  Using that clue the mailing list was searched for
  that host name (SATURN).  It was a sublist. It appears that there is
  something internally wrong with the sublist and this error should
  have gone to the postmaster or owner of the [email protected] list
  instead of the IETF owner.  A message was sent to the postmaster.  No
  reply was received, but the condition was fixed.

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  a.  Error Report

  Date: Wed, 3 Oct 90 14:42:57 EDT
  From: MAILER-DAEMON%[email protected] (Mail Delivery
                                                   Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 13
  To: <[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  /p/news/ietf/21770: Permission denied
  554 "| /usr/local/news -s ietf"... unknown mailer error 13


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  b. Message Sent to Postmaster

  To: [email protected]
  cc: ietf-request
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Subject: 554 "| /usr/local/news -s ietf"
      ... unknown mailer error 13
  In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 03 Oct 90 14:42:57 -0400.
        <[email protected]>
  Date: Mon, 08 Oct 90 10:53:02 PDT
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi,

  Please fix the problem with the following mailbox
  "[email protected]".

  Thanks, Ann


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F.6. Repetitive Error Every Couple of Months from Same Host 

  a.  Message Dated August 90

  Date: Tue, 21 Aug 90 09:21:26 -0700
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
  (permanent failure)

  554 <netrix::gillin>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
    answer from name server)

     ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
  <erlang::chiu> (sent)
  <netrix::gillin> (bounced)
  <erlang::rama> (sent)

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  b.  Message Dated October 90

  Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 05:02:53 -0800
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
          during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
          Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
  %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
  -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
  554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
    answer from name server)

     ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
  <erlang::chiu> (bounced)
  <netrix::gillin> (sent)
  <erlang::rama> (sent)

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  c.  Message Dated December 90

  Date: Sun, 16 Dec 90 21:40:47 -0800
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  To: [email protected]



     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
  (permanent failure)

  554 <[email protected]>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
  answer from name server)

     ----- Recipients of this delivery -----

  <[email protected]> (bounced)

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  d.  Message Dated December 90

  Date: Sun, 16 Dec 90 23:01:21 -0800
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  To: [email protected]

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
  (permanent failure)

  554 <gillin%[email protected]>... 550 Host unknown
  (Authoritative answer from name server)

     ----- Recipients of this delivery -----

  <[email protected]> (sent)
  mogul@acetes (sent)
  <gillin%[email protected]> (bounced)
  <chiu%[email protected]> (sent)

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  e.  Message Dated January 91

  Date: Sun, 6 Jan 91 17:05:53 -0800
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
  To: [email protected]

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "bigfut",
    during mail delivery to <BIGFUT::CALLON>.
    Remote error code is 0x7e81fa, message is:(can't decypher error
    code)
  550 <[email protected]>... User unknown

F.7. Host Unknown or Sublist 

  The address "lucb-ml@OPUS" is not an Internet style domain name. The
  exploder [email protected] has this address on its sublist, and
  CSA.McGILL.CA does not recognize this host.  (This error should have
  gone to the sublist owner at CS.MCGILL.CA).

  Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 19:45:14 -0400
  From: Mail Delivery Subsystem  <[email protected]>
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  To: <[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  550 "Luc Boulianne"     <lucb-ml@opus>... Host unknown

F.8. "HOST UNKNOWN" and the Host Really Is Known 

  Usually a "host unknown" report is not acted on unless it is repeated
  over a period of several days.  In many cases the hosts really do
  exist, but they're just down for a couple of days, or there are
  network problems reaching it (or it's name serrver).

  Date: Fri, 2 Nov 90 08:45:56 -0800
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  To: [email protected]

          ----- Transcript of session follows -----
    550 nrc.com.tcp... 550 Host unknown
    550 [email protected]... Host unknown


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  WHATHOST CHECK

          westine 28%  whathost nrc.com
          Host: nrc.com  ==>  129.216.200.51

          westine 82% whathost 129.216.200.51
          Host: aztec.NRC.COM  ==>  129.216.200.51

F.9. Host Unknown and MXed to Another Host. 

  DNS says AMES will forward mail for ADAPT, but mailer at AMES says
  ADAPT is unknown.  Should ask postmaster at AMES to fix either mailer
  or DNS data.

  Date: Wed, 31 Oct 90 09:39:35 PST
  From: [email protected]
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  To: [email protected]

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  bad system name: ADAPT
  uux failed ( 68 )
  550 [email protected]... Host unknown

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  westine 86% dig adapt.net.com any

  ; <<>> DiG <<>> adapt.net.com any
  ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 6
  ;; flags: qr aa rd ra  Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 0, Addit: 2

  ;; QUESTIONS:
  ;;      adapt.net.com, type = ANY, class = IN

  ;; ANSWERS:
  adapt.net.com   IN  MX  10 ames.arc.nasa.gov   ; 84029
  adapt.net.com   IN  MX  20 tymix.tymnet.com    ; 84029

  ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS:
  ames.arc.nasa.gov       IN  A   128.102.18.3   ; 158777
  tymix.tymnet.com        IN  A   131.146.2.1    ; 86400


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F.10. User Unknown 

  Most "User Unknown" error messages listed individually on the main
  list get deleted.  Those on a sublist, require a message to the
  postmaster or list maintainer.  They are asked to delete the
  invalid user mailbox from their local list.

F.10.1. Add User but Address Fails 

  This is a case where the recipient was checking to see if his mailbox
  was already on the list and if not to readd him.  He was readded to
  the list.  A "user unknown" error message was received on the
  confirming message that was sent notifying recipient that he had been
  added.

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  a.  Message Sent to User And Postmaster

  To: [email protected], [email protected]
  Cc: westine, [email protected]
  Subject: RE: <[email protected]>
  Date: Wed, 07 Nov 90 10:15:40 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi Stewart and Postmaster,

  I readded your name to the IETF list but there seems to be problems
  with connections to DECnet hosts right now.  I have seen lots of
  errors like this lately.  Postmaster, please check into this.  JANUS
  is not the only host with an error, there are other hosts like this
  in trouble.

  For example.

      From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
      Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
      To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>

          ----- Transcript of session follows -----
      mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
               during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
               Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
      %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
      -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
      554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer


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             from name server)

          ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
       <erlang::chiu> (bounced)
       <netrix::gillin> (sent)
       <erlang::rama> (sent)
               -------
      Thank you, Ann

           To: "Stewart Bryant, RE02-G/H2,
               DTN: 830 4682" <[email protected]>
           Cc: [email protected]
           Subject: Re: dist list
           In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 06 Nov 90 03:02:09 0800.
                      <[email protected]>
           Date: Tue, 06 Nov 90 13:54:23 PST
           From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

           Hi Stewart,

           > Please will you check that I have not been deleted
           > from this distribution list.
           >
           > My email address is > [email protected]

        I readded you to the list.  Thanks, Ann

           ------- Forwarded Message

           Date:    Tue, 06 Nov 90 17:25:15 -0800
           From:    [email protected]
           To:      [email protected]
           Subject: Returned mail: User unknown

              ----- Transcript of session follows -----

           mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "janus",
                   during mail delivery to <JANUS::BRYANT>.
                   Remote error code is 0x7e81d2, message is:
           %MAIL-E-ERRACTRNS, error activating transport NM
                   (can't decypher error code)
              550 <[email protected]>... User unknown

               ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
           <[email protected]> (bounced)

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b. Message From Postmaster 

  Return-path: [email protected]
  Date:    Wed, 07 Nov 90 16:24:37 PST
  To:      [email protected]
  cc:      [email protected], [email protected],
           [email protected]
  Subject: Re: <[email protected]>
  From:    Paul A Vixie <[email protected]>

  Anne,

  This was a transient.  Please let me know if any other .enet.dec.com
  nodes are still unreachable.

  Paul

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c. Another Message to Postmaster 

  To: Paul A Vixie <[email protected]>
  cc: [email protected], [email protected],
      [email protected]
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: <[email protected]>
  In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 07 Nov 90 16:24:37 -0800.
      <[email protected]>
  Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 11:23:39 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi Paul,

  There are a few other error message that I received last week and
  they seem to reoccur every couple of months.  Here is an example.
  What does this error mean?

  Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 05:02:53 -0800
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
          during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
          Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
  %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
  -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown


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  554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
    answer from name server)

     ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
  <erlang::chiu> (bounced)
  <netrix::gillin> (sent)
  <erlang::rama> (sent)
  <netrix::gillin> (sent)
  <erlang::rama> (sent)

             ----------

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d. Message From Postmaster

Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 17:10:02 PST To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <[email protected]> From: Paul A Vixie <[email protected]>

Anne,

This error: 

          ----- Transcript of session follows -----
       mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
               during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
               Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
       %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
       -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
       554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative
                         answer from name server)

...means that the person on ERLANG:: has forwarded their mail to a

system that ERLANG does not know about. Decnet mail is not store-and- forward, so decwrl (as smtp-to-decnet gateway) sees the end-system error. Trying to be helpful, it sends it back to you.

My advice is to delete any addresses you have trouble with, if they are in the .enet.dec.com subdomain.

paul




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F.10.2. No Such User 

  Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 18:05 CDT
  From: PMDF Mail Server <[email protected]>
  Subject: Undeliverable mail
  To: [email protected]

  The message could not be delivered to:

  Addressee: gale
  Reason:
    %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user GALE at node CRCVMS

F.11. No Transcript 

  Date: Wed, 8 Aug 90 13:21:03 -0700
  From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Host Name Lookup Failure
  To: owner-ietf
  To: owner-ietf
  To: westine

                          --------------
  <text deleted>

F.12. Looping - Too Many Hops 

  Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:59 PDT
  From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]>
  Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail
  To:<@jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,
    @jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,@jessica.stanford.edu,
    @jessica.stanford.edu:[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  554 sendall: too many hops (17 max)

  Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
     (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09128; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:36 PDT
  Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
     (5.59/25-eef) id AA17687; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:31 PDT
  Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
     (5.59/inc-1.0)id AA09124; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:28 PDT
  Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu


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     (5.59/25-eef) id AA17674; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:22 PDT
  Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
     (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09120; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:19 PDT
  Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
     (5.59/25-eef) id AA17658; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:13 PDT



  Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
     (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09116; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:11 PDT
  Received: from Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
     (5.59/25-eef) id AA17645; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:05 PDT
  Received: from Jessica.Stanford.EDU by Ahwahnee.Stanford.EDU
     (5.59/inc-1.0) id AA09112; Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:08:03 PDT
  Received: from VENERA.ISI.EDU by jessica.stanford.edu
     (5.59/25-eef) id AA17625;

  Wed, 7 Nov 90 18:07:50 PDT
  Received: by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
          id <AA29996>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 15:45:49 -0800
  Received-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 15:45:45 -0800
  Received: from NRI.RESTON.VA.US by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
          id <AA29992>; Wed, 7 Nov 90 15:45:45 -0800
  Received: from nri by NRI.NRI.Reston.VA.US id aa13139;7 Nov 90 18:26
  To: Frank Kastenholz <kasten%[email protected]>
  Cc: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: IETF mailing list
  Date: Wed, 07 Nov 90 18:26:53 -0500
  From: [email protected]

F.13. No Postmaster 

  a.  Error Message

  Date: Mon, 5 Nov 90 18:40:58 EST
  From: [email protected]
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
  To: [email protected]

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----

  421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
  550 Postmaster... User unknown

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  b.  Checking Hostname and Address

  westine 37% dig osi3.ncsl.nist.gov any

  ;; QUESTIONS:
  ;;      osi3.ncsl.nist.gov, type = ANY, class = IN

  ;; ANSWERS:
  osi3.ncsl.nist.gov      IN      A       129.6.48.108    ; 86400
  osi3.ncsl.nist.gov      IN      A       129.6.51.1      ; 86400

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  c.  Checking For Users

  westine 49% mconnect OSI3.NCSL.NIST.GOV
  connecting to host OSI3.NCSL.NIST.GOV (0x6c300681), port 0x1900
  connection open
  220 osi3.ncsl.nist.gov sendmail 4.0/NIST(rbj/dougm) ready at
    Thu, 8 Nov 90 13:58:49 EST
  expn ietf
  250-Dale Walters <walters>
  250-Richard Colella <[email protected]>
  250 Doug Montgomery <[email protected]>

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  d.  Checking For Administrators

  westine 44% whois osi3.ncsl.nist.gov
  National Bureau of Standards (ICST-OSI3)

     Hostname: OSI3.NCSL.NIST.GOV
     Nicknames: OSI3.ICST.NBS.GOV,ICST-OSI3.ARPA
     Address: 129.6.48.108
     System: SUN-3/160 running UNIX

     Coordinator:
        Montgomery, Douglas C.  (DCM5)  [email protected]
        (301) 975-3630

     Record last updated on 17-May-89.

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  e.  Message Sent to Coordinator

  From [email protected] Thu Nov  8 13:58:40 1990
  Posted-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 10:59:30 PST
  To: [email protected]
  Cc: [email protected]
  Subject: RE:  421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
      550 Postmaster... User unknown
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Date: Thu, 08 Nov 90 10:59:30 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi Doug,

  If the Postmaster is "unknown" please delete him from your exploder
  list "[email protected]".  I have been receiving error messages
  like this one for several days now.  If I don't hear from you, I will
  have to delete the above mailbox.

  Ann

  >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  > 421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
  > 550 Postmaster... User unknown

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  f.  Message From Coordinator

  Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:34:02 EST
  From: Doug Montgomery <[email protected]>
  Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
  Sub-Organization: National Computer Systems Laboratory
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: RE:  421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
           550 Postmaster... User unknown
  Cc: [email protected]

  I think I have found out what is wrong.  For some reason (we can
  discuss this below)  your exploder is sending IETF mail to our
  exploder ([email protected]) through the machine
  osi.ncsl.nist.gov.  Now due to a recent subnet reconfiguration and
  subsequent lack of update to our DNS servers, the DNS was returning
  an incorrect address for osi3. Thus IETF mail would be sent to OSI,
  which would try to forward it to OSI3 (using the wrong address).
  OSI would think that OSI3 was down and dump the message, trying to
   send a notice to Postmaster.  OSI doesn't have an aliase for
  Postmaster and thus the second error message that you saw.


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   These two problems have been fixed on OSI.  Now the question is what
  address you have in your distribution list that would cause this
  mail to go through OSI in the first place.  I guess you might have
  something like "ietf%[email protected]." The other interesting
  point about your list is that we receive IETF mail to our exploder
   directly from venera.

   Thus I suspect that there are two entries for OSI3 on your
  distribution list.  One that gets relayed through OSI and one that
  points directly to OSI3.  If this is the case  please deleted
   everything except the "[email protected]." address.

   If this is not the case or if there are other problems let me know.

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  g.  My Reply Back

  Here are all the addresses I have on the IETF list under NIST.GOV.

  [email protected],
  [email protected]

  I'll deleted "[email protected]".

  Here are two others at NIST

  [email protected],
  [email protected]

  By the way, on the following message, it looks like the Mailer-Daemon
  message went from OSI.ncsl.nist.gov to enh.nist.gov to venera.isi.edu.

  --Ann









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      Return-Path: [email protected]
      Received-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:11 PST
      Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4)
              id <AA19131>; Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:11 PST
      Posted-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST
      Received: from enh.nist.gov by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
              id <AA03448>; Thu, 8 Nov 90 12:44:01 -0800
      Received: from OSI.NCSL.NIST.GOV by ENH.NIST.GOV;
              Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:43 EDT
      Received: by osi.ncsl.nist.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB14654;
              Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST
      Date: Thu, 8 Nov 90 15:39:54 EST
      From: [email protected]
      Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
      To: [email protected]
      Message-Id: <[email protected]>
      X-Envelope-To: [email protected]

         ----- Transcript of session follows -----
      421 osi3: Host osi3 is down
      550 Postmaster... User unknown

         ----- Unsent message follows -----

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  h. Another Problem  .Forward

  From: Doug Montgomery <[email protected]>
  Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: 421 osi3:Host osi3 is down 550 Postmaster.. User unknown

  Deleting the [email protected] entry should fix your problems.
  Mills has a .forward to osi3, thus explaining why IETF mail was going
  ---> OSI ---> OSI3.

  I checked OSI's sendmail.cf and it is relaying through enh.  This,
  though has nothing to do with the previous problem.

  I flushed the queue of IETF mail on OSI waiting to go to OSI3.  I
  don't think you should see anymore bounced messages.

  Sorry that our local problems were causing you grief .... let me know
  if it happens again.



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F.14. File Over Allocation 

  Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 10:35:49 -0700
  From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Connection timed out during user
           open with ames.arc.nasa.gov
  Posted-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 90 10:35:49 -0700
  To: owner-ietf

      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  >>> QUIT
  <<< 421 sage.acc.com SMTP Service not available:
      insufficient disk space.
  451 [email protected]... reply: read error
       [email protected]... reply: read error

F.15. File Deleted 

  Date: Fri, 10 Aug 90 14:21:57 EDT
  From: Daemon <[email protected]>
  Subject: Undeliverable mail
  To: westine

  Mail could not be delivered to the following address(es):

  /usr/databases/bugs/[email protected]: No such file
       or directory

F.16. Strange Postmaster 

  a.  Message Forwarded to IETF-Request

  Forwarded: Thu, 21 Feb 91 14:31:09 PST
  Forwarded: westine
  Forwarded: [email protected]
  Forwarded: [email protected]
  Return-Path: [email protected]
  Received-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:07 PST
  Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4)
          id <AA03679>; Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:07 PST
  Posted-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500
  Received: from TIS.COM by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
          id <AA26292>; Sun, 17 Feb 91 17:48:01 -0800
  Received: from TIS.COM by TIS.COM (4.1/SUN-5.64DB)


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          id AA04098; Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:13 EST
  Reply-To: James M Galvin <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Failed Mail to IETF
  Date: Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500
  From: James M Galvin <[email protected]>

  ------- Forwarded Message
  Message-ID: <[email protected]>
  From:       [email protected] <[email protected]>
  To:         [email protected]
  Date:       15 Feb 91 21:28:28
  Subject:    Can't Find MailCenter!

                  <text deleted>

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  b.  Problem Reported to MITRE

  To: [email protected]
  Cc: westine, [email protected]
  Subject: RE:    Can't Find MailCenter!
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Date: Thu, 21 Feb 91 14:31:01 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi,

  We're getting this problem again.  Please fix.

  Thank you.
  Ann

  ------- Forwarded Message

  Date:    Sun, 17 Feb 91 20:48:12 -0500
  From:    James M Galvin <[email protected]>
  To:      [email protected]
  Subject: Failed Mail to IETF

     ------- Forwarded Message

     Message-ID: <[email protected]>
     From:       [email protected] <[email protected]>
     To:         [email protected]
     Date:       15 Feb 91 21:28:28
     Subject:    Can't Find MailCenter!


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     GatorMail-Q                   Re: 1st PRELIMINARY AGENDA/
     Received: by qmgate; 15 Feb 91 21:28:25
     Received: by mbunix.mitre.org (5.57/4.7)
             id AA25128; Fri, 15 Feb 91 21:26:46 EST
     Received: by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
             id <AA17839>; Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:12 -0800
     Posted-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 11:45:16 -0500
     Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:09 -0800
     Received: from TIS.COM by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
             id <AA17833>; Fri, 15 Feb 91 08:45:09 -0800
     Message-Id: <[email protected]>
     Reply-To: James M Galvin <[email protected]>
     To: Megan Davies <[email protected]>
     Cc: [email protected]
     Subject: Re: 1st PRELIMINARY AGENDA/ST. LOUIS
     In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 14 Feb 91 17:44:13 EST.
                  <[email protected]>
     Date: Fri, 15 Feb 91 11:45:16 -0500
     From: James M Galvin <[email protected]>

                     <text deleted>

F.17. Message Too Large 

  Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 17:50:10 MDT
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
  To: <[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554
  [email protected]... Message is too large; 50000 bytes max 554
  [email protected]... Service unavailable








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F.18. Vacation Messages 

  a.  Case 1

  Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 15:28:30 PDT
  From: David Wasley <[email protected]>
  Subject: I am away from e-mail
  This_Message_Brought_To_You_By: the vacation program
  Apparently-To: [email protected]

  I am away from e-mail until October 13. If your message requires
  immediate attention, please contact one of the people below:

  Network problems:     Austin Shelton <[email protected]>

  Network information:  Bill Wells <[email protected]>
    Network installation: Jim Allison <[email protected]> If
  you're really desparate, leave me voice-mail at (415) 642-3478.
  Thanks for your patience! David Wasley, U C Berkeley

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  b.  Case 2

  Date: Fri, 2 Nov 90 18:17:12 EST
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
  To: <[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  sh: vacation: not found
  554 "|vacation farber"... unknown mailer error 1

F.19. LocaL Configuration Errors 

  Date: Tue, 14 Aug 90 00:36:51 -0400
  From: [email protected]
  Subject: Returned mail: Local configuration error
  To: <owner-ietf>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  554 <[email protected]>,<[email protected]>...
      Local configuration error



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F.20. Service Unavailable 

  Date: Wed, 8 Aug 90 13:00:39 EDT
  From: [email protected]
  Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
  To: <owner-ietf>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  Connected to eng.clemson.edu:
  >>> HELO omni
  <<< 553 omni host name configuration error
  554 <[email protected]>... Service unavailable

     ----- Unsent message follows -----

F.21. "Bad File Number" 

  To: <owner-ietf>
  From: The UTCS Post Office <[email protected]>
  Subject: Delivery problems with your mail

  Your message has been received by the University of Toronto Computing
  Services Postal System. A copy of it has been returned to you because
  of difficulties encountered while attempting to deliver your mail.

  The following errors occurred while attempting delivery:

  <smtp madhaus.utcs.utoronto.ca [email protected] 1609>:
   128.100.102.10: 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown:
   Bad file number

F.22. Cannot Append 

  Date: Sat, 11 Aug 90 14:51:57 PDT
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
  To: [email protected]

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  mail: /var/spool/mail/cslater: cannot append
  Mail saved in dead.letter
  554 cslater... Service unavailable


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F.23. Error Creating Network Link 

  "erlang::chang... Host unknown"

  Date: Thu, 1 Nov 90 12:34:20 -0800
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Deferred
  To: <@decpa.pa.dec.com:[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
          during mail delivery to <ERLANG::CHIU>.
          Remote error code is 0x7e803a, message is:
  %MAIL-E-LOGLINK, error creating network link to node CHIU
  -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown
  554 <erlang::chiu>... 550 Host unknown (Authoritative answer from
      name server)
  mail11: connect: Connect failed, Node unreachable
  (temporary failure)

     ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
  <erlang::chiu> (bounced)
  <netrix::gillin> (queued, will retry)
  <erlang::rama> (sent)

     ----- Unsent message follows -----

F.24. Not a Typewriter 

  Date: Wed, 8 Aug 90 19:36:47 -0700
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  To: owner-ietf

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  get_status: Not a typewriter
  (mail11 operating system error)

  451 <[email protected]>... Operating system error
  mail11: connect: Connect failed, Unrecognized object
  (permanent failure)

  554 <[email protected]>... 550 Host unknown
     (Authoritative answer from name server)



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     ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
  <[email protected]> (bounced)
  <[email protected]> (bounced)

     ----- Unsent message follows -----

F.25. "MTA Congestion" 

  Date: Tue, 7 Aug 90 22:37:48 -0700
  To: ietf-request
  From: DFN Gateway <postmaster%[email protected]>
  Subject: DFN Mail Network -- failed mail

  Mail Failure Diagnostics:

  Message Recipients:
     [email protected]: MTA congestion

F.26. Local Forwarding Not Working 

  To: [email protected]
  Subject: [email protected]... User unknown
  Date: Thu, 01 Nov 90 13:20:53 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi,

  Would you mind checking into this error message before I delete this
  person from our list.  I think it may be an internal forwarding
  problem at MIT.  If not let me know if there is a new address or if I
  should delete this one.

  --Ann

     ------- Forwarded Message

     Date:    Thu, 01 Nov 90 12:34:01 -0800
     From:    [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
     To:      [email protected]
     Subject: Returned mail: User unknown




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        ----- Transcript of session follows -----
     >>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
     <<< 550 /u/dukach/.forward:
         line 0: tabasco.lcs.mit.edu... User unknown
     550 [email protected]... User unknown

        ----- Unsent message follows -----

     To: [email protected]
     Cc: [email protected]
     Subject: Re: [email protected]... User unknown
     In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 01 Nov 90 13:20:53 -0800.
                  <[email protected]>
     Date: Thu, 01 Nov 90 17:16:44 -0500
     From: [email protected]

     Ann,

     Please don't delete Semyon. I'll get him to fix his
     configuration.

     Thanks,
     Chuck

F.27. No Such File or Directory 

  Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 17:57:08 -0800
  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
  To: <[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  <<< RCPT To:<[email protected]>
  <<< RCPT To:<[email protected]>
  <<< DATA
  mail: Creating /usr/spool/mail/phil -: No such file or directory
  mail: Creating /usr/spool/mail/rick -: No such file or directory
  Mail saved in dead.letter
  554 <[email protected]>,<[email protected]>... unknown
  mailer error




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F.28. User Account Terminated 

  Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 18:21:23 EDT
  From: [email protected]
  Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
  To: <[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  Connected to DEVVAX.TN.CORNELL.EDU:
  >>> RCPT To:<[email protected]>
  <<< 550 <[email protected]>... User unknown
  550 [email protected]... User unknown

F.29. Machine Terminated 

  Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 19:33:26 EDT
  From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]>
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown
  To: <[email protected]>

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  550 edn-unix.dca.mil.tcp... 550 Host unknown
  550 [email protected]... Host unknown

     ----- Unsent message follows -----

F.30. Couldn't Make Final Delivery. 

  a.  Case 1

  Date: 29 Aug 90 13:17:34 EST
  From: "SMTP MAILER" <[email protected]>
  Subject: Mail Delivery Problem
  To: "owner-ietf" <owner-ietf>

   ----Reason for mail failure follows----
  Sending mail to recipient(s) Nakassis :
    Couldn't make final delivery.

  %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening USER2:[000000]NAKASSIS.DIR as output

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  b.  Case 2

  Date:  8 Oct 90 20:24:32 EDT
  From: "SMTP MAILER" <[email protected]>
  Subject: Mail Delivery Problem
  To: "owner-ietf" <[email protected]>

   ----Reason for mail failure follows----
  Sending mail to recipient(s) morrisd :
    Couldn't make final delivery.

  %MRGATE-E-MRFROMVMS, Error transferring message to Message Router

F.31. Unknown ".ARPA" Hosts Without Updated Hostname 

  WHATHOST and DIG show nothing for DCA-EMS.ARPA.  There is no referral
  to the new hostname.  "WHOIS" DCA-EMS came up with the new hostname.

  From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
  Subject: Returned mail: Deferred: Host Name Lookup Failure
  Posted-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 90 15:59:34 -0800
  To: [email protected]

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  [email protected],[email protected],
    [email protected]... Host unknown

  westine 45% whathost dca-ems.arpa
  Unknown Host: dca-ems.arpa, errno 0, h_errno 1 : Unknown host

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  westine 44% whois dca-ems
  Defense Communications Agency (DCA) (DCA-EMS)
     Office Automation Division
     Code H610
     Washington, DC 20305-2000

     Hostname: DCA-EMS.DCA.MIL
     Address: 26.1.0.76
     System: BBN-C/70 running UNIX

     Host Administrator:
        Wilkinson, Avis D.  (ADW)  [email protected]
        (703) 848-4867

     DCA-EMS.DCA.MIL users send E-Mail to [email protected]

     Record last updated on 10-Sep-90.

F.32. Messages From an Internet Relay to Commercial Mail Systems 

  a.  Message Too Large

  Date: 13 Feb 91 04:15:22 EST
  From: Electronic Postmaster <[email protected]>
  To: Ann Westine <[email protected]>
  Subject: Undeliverable message



  Re: ? EMDITB - Mail Delivery Failure. Message too large.
       >EPX [74360,3202]

  Internet Monthly Report

  Your message could not be delivered as addressed.

  --- Returned message ---

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  b.  Invalid Parameters

  Date: 13 Feb 91 05:34 UT
  From: "X.400 Gateway" <[email protected]>
  Subject: MHS NonDelivery Report
  To: [email protected]

  Report from domain /PRMD=/ADMD=telemail/C=us/:

  FAILED delivery to:

 1 Recipient ORName:

/PN=tony.y.mazraani/DD.TS=SM55/O=SPRINTINTL/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/ 

   Translates to:

/PN=tony.y.mazraani/DD.TS=SM55/O=SPRINTINTL/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US 

                                                        /@sprint.com
   Reason: unable to transfer
   Diagnostic: invalid parameters

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  c.  Looping

  From: [email protected]
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Delivery Report (failure) for
           [email protected]
  Message-Type: Delivery Report
  Date: Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:34:41 +0000
  Content-Identifier: Why WAN multi...

  This report relates to your message: Why WAN multi...
          of Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:56 +0000

  Your message was not delivered to
          [email protected] for the following reason:
          Message looping detected (please contact local administrator)

  *** The following information is directed towards the local
  *** administrator and is not intended for the end user
  *
  * DR generated by mta pilot.cs.wisc.edu
  *         in /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/
  *         at Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:34:35 +0000
  *
  * Converted to RFC 822 at pilot.cs.wisc.edu
  *         at Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:34:41 +0000
  *


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  * Delivery Report Contents:
  *
  * Subject-Submission-Identifier: [/PRMD=xnren/ADMD=
  /C=us/;<[email protected]]
  * Content-Identifier: Why WAN multi...
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:56 +0000 action Relayed
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:47 +0000 action Relayed
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:21:48 +0000 action Relayed
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:05:55 +0000 action Relayed
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:05:46 +0000 action Relayed
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 15:22:57 +0000 action Relayed
  * Subject-Intermediate-Trace-Information:  /PRMD=xnren/ADMD= /C=us/;
  *          arrival Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:04:50 +0000 action Relayed
  * Recipient-Info: [email protected],
  *         /G=Allan/S=Cargille/OU=cs/O=uw-madison/PRMD=xnren/ADMD=
  *         /C=us/;
  *         FAILURE reason Unable-To-Transfer (1);
  *         diagnostic Loop-Detected (3);
  *         last trace () Wed, 12 Dec 1990 11:04:50 +0000;

  ****** End of administration information












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F.33. Incomplete DNS Data on Host 

  Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 19:37:51 -0500
  From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown

     ----- Transcript of session follows -----
  550 megasys.com (TCP)... 550 Host unknown
  550 <[email protected]>... Host unknown (Valid name but no data
      [address])



  westine 27% dig megasys.com any

  ; <<>> DiG <<>> megasys.com any
  ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY , status: NOERROR, id: 6
  ;; flags: qr rd ra  Ques: 1, Ans: 2, Auth: 2, Addit: 3

  ;; QUESTIONS:
  ;;      megasys.com, type = ANY, class = IN

  ;; ANSWERS:
  megasys.com     IN      NS      UUNET.UU.NET    ; 172786
  megasys.com     IN      NS      seismo.CSS.GOV  ; 172786

  ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS:
  MEGASYS.COM     IN      NS      UUNET.UU.NET    ; 172786
  MEGASYS.COM     IN      NS      seismo.CSS.GOV  ; 172786

  ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS:
  UUNET.UU.NET    IN      A       192.48.96.2     ; 447968
  UUNET.UU.NET    IN      A       137.39.1.2      ; 170920
  seismo.CSS.GOV  IN      A       192.12.141.25   ; 172786








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F.34. Sublist Problem 

  From: [email protected]
  Posted-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 EST
  Received: from gimme.math.ufl.edu by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
          id <AA15131>; Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:28:24 -0800
  Received:  by gimme.math.ufl.edu (4.1/4.03)
          id AA05948; Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 EST
  Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 EST
  To: [email protected], [email protected]
  Subject: here we go again: please release me, let me go...



  Fifth time now(?) I try this every couple of months now,
  figuring you may be hoplesslly backed up.

  Can you remove me from the ietf list?  I may be there as
  either:

          [email protected]
  or
          [email protected]

  I would appreciate a confirmation message: I'm ready to use
  crontab for these mailings.

  Many Thanks,

  Randy Fischer

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  To: [email protected]
  cc: [email protected], [email protected]
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: here we go again: please release me, let me go...
  In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 17 Dec 90 12:28:23 -0500.
               <[email protected]>
  Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 10:15:36 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi Randy,

  I remember your request, and I also remember telling you that you are
  not on our list (at least individually).  There is an exploder
  "[email protected]" maintained at UFL.EDU.  You need to check with
  the postmaster to see if you are on their list.  If this is not the
  case, here are the only other addresses I have from UFL.EDU


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  [email protected],
  [email protected],
  [email protected],
  [email protected],
  [email protected],

  There is another possibility, perhaps you have a pointer to a mailbox
  somewhere else?

  Regards,
  Ann

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  From: Operator <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected], [email protected]
  Subject: re: done at last: please release me, let me go...

  Many, many thanks for the reply: I did not, somehow, see your
  previous reply -- perhaps you forwarded it to someone at UFL.EDU
  instead of MATH.UFL.EDU?  Or I missed it in the flow of mail I am
  trying to abate.
  No matter.

  At any rate "[email protected]" is indeed a local exploder, aliased
  at the moment to myself and one of my assistants.  It is local to the
  "math.ufl.edu" subdomain, and not to "ufl.edu" as your records
  indicate.  I am the postmaster of the "math.ufl.edu", and you should
  be able to verify "math.ufl.edu" has an MX record pointing to
  "mathlab.math.ufl.edu".  I am therefore mailing to you as root from
  that machine.

  Please remove "[email protected]" from your list.  I have quite
  enjoyed the discussions,  but the volume been overwhelming.

  Thanks very much for your prompt reply,
  Appreciatively,

  -Randy Fischer <[email protected]> <[email protected]>






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F.35. File Protection Problem 

  From: "Raj Jain, LKG1-2/A19, DTN: 226-7642, 508-486-7642
         09-Feb-1991 0904"
  <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Request to add to IETF

  I seem to have suddenly dropped off the IETF distribution list. I
  have not received any IETF mail since 9-Jan-91. Could you please
  ensure that I am still in the distribution list.

  -Raj Jain

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  To: "Raj Jain, LKG1-2/A19, DTN: 226-7642,
      508-486-7642 09-Feb-1991 0904" <[email protected]>
  cc: [email protected], ietf-request
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: Request to add to IETF
  In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 09 Feb 91 06:07:15 -0800.
               <[email protected]>
  Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 11:17:41 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi Raj,

  I will readd you to the IETF list.  However, if I receive more error
  messages like this, then I must take your name off the list again.
  I've sent messages to the postmaster at DEC but the problem isn't
  corrected.  Your address isn't the only one, there's CALLON and a few
  others.










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  Maybe you can check into this.  Here's the header from one of the
  many error messages I received.

  Regards, --Ann

     Date: Wed, 9 Jan 91 17:04:41 -0800
     From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
     Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
     To: [email protected]



        ----- Transcript of session follows -----
     mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "erlang",
             during mail delivery to <ERLANG::JAIN>.
             Remote error code is 0x7e81fa, message is:
     %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output
     -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation
             (can't decypher error code)
     550 <[email protected]>... User unknown

        ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
     <[email protected]> (bounced)

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  Date: Tue, 12 Feb 91 17:54:20 EST
  From: "Raj Jain, LKG1-2/A19, DTN: 226-7642, 508-486-7642
         12-Feb-1991 1751"
  <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: Request to add to IETF

  The error message that you sent is unfortunately my mistake and has
  nothing to do with DECWRL. One day I reset protection on all my files
  and directories and didn't realize that even the system did not have
  the privilege to write mail messages on my disk. I discovered it only
  after several people sent phone messages to me. Thanks for adding my
  name again. I will try to be careful.  -Raj






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F.36. User Unknown 

  a.  Request to be Readded to IETF List

  Date: Mon, 11 Feb 91 10:03:54 PST
  From: "Paul Ciarfella DTN 227-3548 Outside 508 952-3548
        11-Feb-1991 1301"
  <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: add me to the ietf list (again)

  Hi -

  Could I be added to the ietf distribution list (again). I must have
  been dropped from the list somehow.  This happened to me before the
  last ietf - I had to get my name reregistered then, too.

  Thanks,

  Paul Ciarfella [email protected]

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  b.  Message to User Regarding Readd and Previous Problems

  To: "Paul Ciarfella DTN 227-3548 Outside 508 952-3548  11-Feb-1991
      1301" <[email protected]>
  Cc: [email protected]
  Reply-To: [email protected]
  Subject: Re: add me to the ietf list (again)
  In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 11 Feb 91 10:03:54 -0800.
               <[email protected]>
  Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 11:05:46 PST
  From: Ann Westine <[email protected]>

  Hi Paul,

  Every couple of months I have lots of error messags from several
  individual mailboxes on ENET.DEC.COM.  Here is a typical one.  Since
  I cannot reach you I am forced to delete your mailbox.

  I have sent several messages to the postmaster at DEC but nothing has
  been corrected.  Perhaps you can look into this.

  --Ann




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     Return-Path: [email protected]
     Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:53:19 PST
     Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4)
             id <AA11360>; Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:53:19 PST
     Posted-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:42:03 -0800
     Received: from decpa.pa.dec.com by venera.isi.edu
             (5.61/5.61+local)
             id <AA08309>; Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:53:17 -0800
     Received: by decpa.pa.dec.com; id AA12106; Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:42:03
     Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 19:42:03 -0800
     From: [email protected] (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
     Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
     Message-Id: <[email protected]>
     To: [email protected]

        ----- Transcript of session follows -----
     mail11: input timeout reading remote object
     get_status: Connection timed out
     (temporary failure)

     mail11: Error from DECnet MAIL object on node "levers",
             during mail delivery to <LEVERS::CIARFELLA>.
             Remote error code is 0x7e81fa, message is:
     %MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening !AS as output
     -RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed
     -SYSTEM-W-DIRALLOC, allocation failure on directory file
             (can't decypher error code)
     550 <[email protected]>... User unknown

        ----- Recipients of this delivery -----
     <[email protected]> (queued, will retry)
     <[email protected]> (bounced)
     <[email protected]> (sent)

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  c.  Response from User Regarding Problem

  Return-Path: [email protected]
  Received-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:51:25 PST
  Received: from venera.isi.edu by zephyr.isi.edu (4.1/4.0.3-4)
          id <AA26215>; Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:51:25 PST
  Posted-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:51:02 PST
  Received: from decpa.pa.dec.com by venera.isi.edu (5.61/5.61+local)
          id <AA04585>; Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:51:22 -0800
  Received: by decpa.pa.dec.com; id AA14420; Wed, 13
            Feb 91 13:51:00 -0800
  Received: from levers.enet; by decwrl.enet; Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:51:02 PST
  Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:51:02 PST
  From: "I'll die for my country but I won't kill for Texaco
  13-Feb-1991 1641"
  <[email protected]>
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: re: add me to the ietf list (again)

  Hi Ann,

  Could we try another address for me?  The old address has been
  plagued by disk problems which might explain why the mail is not
  getting delivered.

  The new address to register is:

     [email protected]

  I will check into the problem on this end.  Sorry about the tone of
  my first message but this has been a never-ending problem for over 8
  months.

  Thank you,

  Paul C

5. Security Considerations 

  Security issues are not discussed in this memo.





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6. Authors' Addresses 

  Ann Westine
  USC - Information Sciences Institute
  4676 Admiralty Way
  Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6695

  Phone: 213-822-1511

  EMail: [email protected]



  Jon Postel
  USC - Information Sciences Institute
  4676 Admiralty Way
  Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6695

  Phone: 213-822-1511

  EMail: [email protected]
















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